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The discussion revolves around calculating the energy required to move a mass from the surface of Mars to a significant height, specifically addressing the challenge posed by a non-linear reduction in gravitational force as the height increases. The original poster presents a graph illustrating this change in gravity from 3.7 N/kg at the surface to 0.7 N/kg at a height of 8 x 10^6 m.

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  • Participants explore the implications of using the gravitational potential energy equation, questioning whether it can be applied when gravity is not constant. There are discussions about the gravitational force equation and its relationship to gravitational potential energy, with some participants suggesting the need for integration to account for varying gravitational force.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing hints and references to resources. There is an ongoing exploration of the gravitational force and potential energy concepts, and some participants express uncertainty about the correct approach to the problem.

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Participants note the complexity introduced by the non-linear change in gravity and the potential need for integration to solve the problem accurately. There is also mention of the original poster's struggle with the material, indicating a learning process in progress.

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Homework Statement
Calculate the energy required to move a 100kg mass from the surface of Mars to a height of 8 x10^6 m .
Relevant Equations
E = M x G x H
To do this I'm given a graph showing gravity reducing non-linearly from 3.7 N/kg at the surface to 0.7 N/kg at 8 x 10^6m. I believe that the equation for a fixed gravitaional pull is E = M x G x H - however with changing gravity as the object rises - how do you calculate this?
 
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SiriusFire said:
Homework Statement:: Calculate the energy required to move a 100kg mass from the surface of Mars to a height of 8 x10^6 m .
Relevant Equations:: E = M x G x H

To do this I'm given a graph showing gravity reducing non-linearly from 3.7 N/kg at the surface to 0.7 N/kg at 8 x 10^6m. I believe that the equation for a fixed gravitaional pull is E = M x G x H - however with changing gravity as the object rises - how do you calculate this?

Do you know the equation for GPE (gravitational potential energy) in the field of a spherical mass?

Hint: you can derive it from the gravitational force law.
 
Doesn't the GPE equation assume constant gravitational pull?
 
SiriusFire said:
Doesn't the GPE equation assume constant gravitational pull?
No. Do you know the gravitational force equation?

These days all you have to do is type "gravitational potential energy" into a search engine.
 
I assume that the Gravitational Force Equation isn't Pe = M g Δh then because when I type "gravitational potential energy" into a search engine that's what appears! And that always assumes constant g.
 
SiriusFire said:
Doesn't the GPE equation assume constant gravitational pull?
There is a simplified GPE equation which assumes that as an approximation, but it is not the (Newtonian) GPE eqution.
How does potential vary with distance from a spherically symmetric body for a force following an inverse square law, whether it be gravitational or electrostatic?
If you do not know, try integrating the force.
 
SiriusFire said:
I assume that the Gravitational Force Equation isn't Pe = M g Δh then because when I type "gravitational potential energy" into a search engine that's what appears! And that always assumes constant g.

Try this:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/gpot.html
 
OK Thanks - I'm struggling but I'll try from there!
 
SiriusFire said:
OK Thanks - I'm struggling but I'll try from there!
In case you don't know, Newton's law of gravitation says that we have a mutual force of attraction between two point masses, with the magnitude of the force given by:
$$F = \frac{Gm_1m_2}{r^2}$$
Where ##r## is the distance between the masses,and ##G## is the universal gravitational constant.
 
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... which you can integrate wrt r to find the potential.
 
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The work done on a body by the net force ##\vec F_{net}## acting on it, or the change in its kinetic energy, is given by:$$\int_\vec{s_1}^\vec{s_2}\vec F_{net}\cdot d\vec s$$
Where ##\vec s## is the displacement vector.
In your problem, the net force on the body is composed of only the gravitational pull the body feels because of the planet, and the displacement is straight upwards.
PeroK has given you the expression of the force. The integral simplifies to:
$$\int_{R_\text{mars}}^h-\frac{Gm_1m_2}{r^2}dr$$
This geometrically represents the area under the curve of the force against height in the graph you have from ##r=## the radius of mars, to ##r=h##.

It is unlikely that the problem wants you to find an approximation since the height is too big + he gave you a graph of the force, but here's how you can do it:
$$m_1a=\frac{Gm_1m_\text{mars}}{R_{mars}^2}\Leftrightarrow a=\frac{Gm_\text{mars}}{R_{mars}^2}$$
For heights close to the surface of mars, you can assume that the acceleration due the gravity of the planet is ##g_\text{mars}=a##, so the force your body feels is ##mg_\text{mars}##. Hence ##\Delta K=m_1g_\text{mars}h##.
 

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