Work Done by Gravity and Tension in a Pulley System

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The discussion revolves around a pulley system involving two blocks with different masses and their interactions through gravity and tension. The original poster attempts to calculate the work done by gravity and tension on each block as they move, raising questions about the signs and values of the work done.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the calculations of kinetic energy and work done by gravity and tension. There is a focus on the signs of the work done and whether the work done by tension should be zero, given the equal and opposite actions on both blocks.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning the assumptions about the work done by tension and gravity. Some guidance is offered regarding the signs of work and the need to analyze each block separately, while the overall net work done by tension is acknowledged as zero.

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There is an emphasis on careful consideration of signs in the calculations, and participants note the importance of defining positive and negative directions in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


Two blocks are attached to a rope across a pulley. Block A is on the ground and has a mass of 4 kg. Block B is 2 meters above the ground and has a mass of 12 kg. When the blocks are released, block B hits the floor and block A rises to 2 meters; each block has a final speed of 4.43 m/s. Find the work done by gravity and tension for each block.

Homework Equations


Total Work = Change in kinetic energy = Work done by gravity + work done by tension
Work done by gravity = mg(Hf - H0)

The Attempt at a Solution


Block A
KE 0 = 0
KEf = (1/2) (4 kg) ( 4.43 m/s)2 = 39.2 J
Total work = KEf - KE0 = 39.2 J
Work done by gravity = 4 kg * 9.8 m/s2 * 2m = 78.4 J
Total work = work done by gravity + work done by tension
39.2 = 78.4 + Wt
Wt = -39.2 J
Similarly, Wg for block B is -235.2 J and Wt = 352.9 J
But shouldn't the work done by tension be 0 because the work done by tension on B is equal to the work done by tension on A?
 
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solarcat said:
Total work = work done by gravity + work done by tension
39.2 = 78.4 + Wt
Wt = -39.2 J
Careful with signs. The work done by gravity on block A is negative, since gravity acts down while the block rises. Similarly, the work done by tension on that block must be positive.

solarcat said:
But shouldn't the work done by tension be 0 because the work done by tension on B is equal to the work done by tension on A?
The net work done by tension on both masses will be zero, yes. But if you analyze each block separately, the tension does non-zero work on each.
 
solarcat said:
Work done by gravity = 4 kg * 9.8 m/s2 * 2m = 78.4 J
Be careful with signs.
First, decide whether positive is up or down, then use signs for acceleration and displacement accordingly.
 
You could solve:

$$M_bg-T=M_ba...1$$ and
$$ T-M_ag=M_aa...2$$

After which work done by tension on B is just -TΔx and on A +TΔx summing to zero as you expect.
 

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