Work Done by Tension of Mass on a string

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The problem involves calculating the work done by tension on a mass being spun in a horizontal circle. The mass, string length, and speed are provided, and the question asks for the work done when the mass has traveled halfway around the circle.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss calculating centripetal force and the path length, with some questioning the relationship between force and displacement in the context of work done. There are considerations of the angle between force and displacement vectors.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some have suggested that the work done by tension may be zero due to the perpendicular nature of the force and displacement, while others are clarifying the implications of the calculations and the physical principles involved.

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There is a mention of potential calculator errors and the importance of understanding the geometric relationship between force and displacement in circular motion. Participants are also reflecting on the implications of the problem setup regarding the nature of work in physics.

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1.A 2.0 kg mass is spun in a horizontal circle at the end of a 0.66 m long string at a speed of 12 m/s. What is the work done by tension when the mass has gone halfway around the circle?

A) 576 J B) 1810 J C) 904 J D) 0


Homework Equations


Fc=mv^2/r and w=f*d



The Attempt at a Solution


Well I first calculated the centripetal force using the first equation. (2kg)(12m/s^2)/.66 and got 4.36N. The I used work=f*d and got 8.17. This is not even an answer. Any sugestions?
 
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The first of your results computes a force but doesn't include include a path length. Also the math is way off 288/0.66= 4.36?
 
Oh hahaha calculator error. I did calculate the path to be about 4.15 m so the answer would be B 1810 J. W=436 * 4.15=1810. Does this sound about right?
 
The question states the displacement is 1/2 a rev.
 
Remember, there is a dot product in the work equation.
W=F dot D

If you haven't had dot products yet, you've had...

W=FD Cos(theta)

Where theta is the angle between the force and displacement vector.

With circular motion, what is the direction of the force vector?
what is the direction of the displacement vector?
 
I knew there was something that bothered me about this problem.
 
Well the cos 180 is equal to -1. There are no negative choices.
 
To the op, what flatmaster is saying in order for work to be done, the force has to be at least somewhat in the direction of displacement. This problem is like moving a mass horizontally in a gravitational field. We were going to get there, but now that the cat has been sprung loose...
 
So are we saying that the work would be zero since the force is in the opposite direction of displacement?
 
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Not opposite but perpendicular. Think about it: if work were done by tension the speed of a ball on a string would dramatically slow with every revolution. The reason I dragged you thru the calculations is that unless you can punch numbers correctly, this is an exercise in futility--you may have the right approach but screw up simple calcs, causing you to doubt your reasoning. I can't tell you how often I see this as a teacher. Many of my courses are calculator taboo for this very reason. Ball park estimates to test your results are important. You mucked up both the force and the displacement computations. Its like the old carpenters saw, measure twice, cut once.
 
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Thank you for your help!
 

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