Work done by the tension on a cable

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The discussion revolves around calculating the work done by the tension in a crane cable while lifting a 1250 kg load at a constant speed over a vertical distance of 8 m. The subject area includes concepts of work, force, and gravitational effects in physics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the definition of work and its relation to force and distance. There is confusion regarding the acceleration of the load and the forces acting on it. Questions arise about the appropriate formula to use and the meaning of constant velocity in this context.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning assumptions about forces and acceleration. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to consider gravitational force and the relationship between tension and weight. There is ongoing exploration of the correct application of formulas.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem involves lifting an object at constant velocity, which leads to discussions about the implications of this condition on the forces involved. There is also mention of the unrealistic nature of some physics problems compared to real-world scenarios.

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Homework Statement



A crane lifts a 1250 kg load directly upward with a constant speed through a vertical
distance of 8 m. How much work is done by the tension in the crane cable?

Homework Equations



Im thinking its the work equation but this is were i got stuck

W = m(as)

The Attempt at a Solution



got confused right away on this one my thinking is

m = 1250
s = 8
a = is this zero seeing as its constant?
 
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discosucks said:
Im thinking its the work equation but this is were i got stuck
discosucks said:
W = m(as)
Where did you get that formula?

What's the most basic definition of work?
 
work is when a force moves its point of application through a distance .

isnt that the same as W = Fs?
 
discosucks said:
work is when a force moves its point of application through a distance .

isnt that the same as W = Fs?
That's the equation that you need. What's "F" in this problem?
 
Doc Al said:
That's the equation that you need. What's "F" in this problem?

force? and that would be the mass x the acceleration

but what do i say the acceleration is seeing as I am told its constant?
 
discosucks said:
force?
What force? (What force is doing the work in this problem?)

discosucks said:
and that would be the mass x the acceleration
No. Mass x acceleration gives you the net force on something.

discosucks said:
but what do i say the acceleration is seeing as I am told its constant?
The acceleration would be zero.
 
Im pretty confused now lol but I'm going to say its gravitational force bearing down ?
 
Draw a FBD. Find the FT and then plug and chug into W = F x d
 
discosucks said:
Im pretty confused now lol but I'm going to say its gravitational force bearing down ?

In order to be simple, physics exercises are often unrealistic. To lift a real object, a real crane probabily doesn't raise it at a constant velocity. In a real situation there is a fluctuating imbalance of forces, so there are small accelerations (and decelerations) of the load as it rises.

In this problem, you are told the obejct is lifted with a constant velocity. Theoretically, to lift a object with a constant velocity, you could exert a force on it that exactly cancels gravity. (Tie a big helium balloon to it.) The object would be "levitated". Then you give the object a nudge and it would move upward at a constant velocity. There would be no net force on the object. One can still ask what work is done just by force that is canceling gravity. That work is non-zero.

You have to pretend the crane is levitating the object and you have to ignore whatever work was done to start the object on its way up with a constant velocity.
 
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discosucks said:
Im pretty confused now lol but I'm going to say its gravitational force bearing down ?
You're asked to find the work done by the tension, so you need the tension. (Since the acceleration is zero, that tension will equal the weight of the object.)
 
  • #11
So its just the weight by the distance seing as the acceleration is zero?

1250 x 8 = 10000 J ?
 
  • #12
discosucks said:
So its just the weight by the distance seing as the acceleration is zero?
Yes.

discosucks said:
1250 x 8 = 10000 J ?
1250 is not the weight.
 
  • #13
Sorry i think i get it now

the weight is the mass times gravity

1250 x 9.81 =12262.5

12262.5 x 8 = 98100 J .
 
  • #14
Good!
 

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