Work Done Dragging 50kg Crate 8m: Find Force, Angle & Energy

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The problem involves calculating the work done by a person dragging a 50 kg crate over a distance of 8 m at a constant velocity, with a friction force of 225 N and a rope angle of 20 degrees above the horizontal. Participants are discussing the relationship between tension, friction, and work done in this context.

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  • Participants explore the calculation of work done, questioning the tension in the rope and its components. There is discussion about the implications of constant velocity on net force and how it relates to the work done against friction.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some suggesting different interpretations of the work done by the person versus the rope. There is recognition of the need to clarify the relationship between tension and the forces acting on the crate, particularly in terms of horizontal and vertical components.

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A 50.0 kg crate is dragged at a constant velocity of 1.5 m/s for a distance of 8.0 m. If the force of friction on the crate is 225 N, how much work was done by the person to drag the crate over the 8.0 m distance if the rope used to drag the crate was directed at 20degrees angle above the horizontal?

my work:
mass 50kg
distance 8m
angle 20 degrees
Force of Friction 225N
since we have a constant velocity Fnet = 0
Fnet = T - Ff

Solve for T
0 = T - 225N
T = 225N

therefore T x distance moved by the rope x cosx = work done
so I got 225N x 8m x cos20 = 1690 J

However the answer sheet says it's 1800 J...
 
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lynchdemartin said:
A 50.0 kg crate is dragged at a constant velocity of 1.5 m/s for a distance of 8.0 m. If the force of friction on the crate is 225 N, how much work was done by the person to drag the crate over the 8.0 m distance if the rope used to drag the crate was directed at 20degrees angle above the horizontal?

my work:
mass 50kg
distance 8m
angle 20 degrees
Force of Friction 225N
since we have a constant velocity Fnet = 0
Fnet = T - Ff

Solve for T
0 = T - 225N
T = 225N

therefore T x distance moved by the rope x cosx = work done
so I got 225N x 8m x cos20 = 1690 J

However the answer sheet says it's 1800 J...

The tension T is greater than 225N, since the horizontal force (the cos component of T) is 225N to oppose the friction force.
 
berkeman said:
The tension T is greater than 225N, since the horizontal force (the cos component of T) is 225N to oppose the friction force.

That's only if the object is "not moving at constant velocity". In this question it is moving at constant velocity so Fnet must equal 0.
 
lynchdemartin said:
That's only if the object is "not moving at constant velocity". In this question it is moving at constant velocity so Fnet must equal 0.

Correct. The Fnet in the horizontal direction has to equal zero (225 -225 = 0).
 
I still get 1690J for work done. Driving me nuts...
 
lynchdemartin said:
A 50.0 kg crate is dragged at a constant velocity of 1.5 m/s for a distance of 8.0 m. If the force of friction on the crate is 225 N, how much work was done by the person to drag the crate over the 8.0 m distance if the rope used to drag the crate was directed at 20degrees angle above the horizontal?

my work:
mass 50kg
distance 8m
angle 20 degrees
Force of Friction 225N
since we have a constant velocity Fnet = 0
Fnet = T - Ff

Solve for T
0 = T - 225N
T = 225N

therefore T x distance moved by the rope x cosx = work done
so I got 225N x 8m x cos20 = 1690 J

However the answer sheet says it's 1800 J...

You may confuse last part.
net F=0
Tcos20 = f =225 N
W=(Tcos20)*8=1800 J
 
umm this might seem stupid but I think the question is asking what is the work done by the "person" not the "rope" so then it's T 225 N x 8m = 1800J ?
 
lynchdemartin said:
umm this might seem stupid but I think the question is asking what is the work done by the "person" not the "rope" so then it's T 225 N x 8m = 1800J ?

The person is doing the work, but you've got the correct answer. The horizontal component of T is 225N, to oppose the frictional force. The actual tension T is greater than 225N, since there is also a vertical component to the Tension.
 
berkeman said:
The person is doing the work, but you've got the correct answer. The horizontal component of T is 225N, to oppose the frictional force. The actual tension T is greater than 225N, since there is also a vertical component to the Tension.

thanks I can finally rest now..
 

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