Finding Work Done by Gravity on Inclined Crate

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a 700-kg crate on a rough surface inclined at 30°, with a horizontal force applied to it. The task is to determine the work done by gravity as the crate moves up the incline while its speed changes.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of work done against gravity and question how to incorporate friction into the analysis. There are attempts to clarify the gravitational force acting on the crate and its direction relative to the movement.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on how to calculate the work done by gravity, while others are exploring the implications of friction on the overall energy changes. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being discussed, particularly regarding the role of the applied force and the gravitational force.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity introduced by the applied force and friction, and there is an ongoing exploration of how these factors affect the work done by gravity. The original poster expresses uncertainty about incorporating friction into their calculations.

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Homework Statement


In the figure, a 700-kg crate is on a rough surface inclined at 30°. A constant external force P = 5600 N is applied horizontally to the crate. As the force pushes the crate a distance of 3.00 m up the incline, the speed changes from 1.40 m/s to 2.50 m/s. How much work does gravity do on the crate during this process?
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Homework Equations


<br /> W=KE_f - KE_i\\<br /> W=Fd\cos{\theta}<br />

The Attempt at a Solution


<br /> W=KE_f - KE_i<br /> W_{total}=\frac{1}{2}mv^2_f - \frac{1}{2}mv^2_i\\<br /> W_{total}=\frac{1}{2}m(v^2_f-v^2_i)\\<br /> W_{total}=\frac{1}{2}(700)(2.5^2-1.4^2)\\<br /> W_{total}=1501.5 \ \texttt{J}\\ \ \\<br /> W=Pd\cos{\theta}\\<br /> W=5600(3)\cos{30}\\<br /> W=14549.2 \ \texttt{J}\\ \ \\<br /> W_{total}=W_g+W\\<br /> W_g=W_{total}-W\\<br /> W_g=1501.5-14549.2\\<br /> W_g=-13047.7 \ \texttt{J}<br />
The correct answer is -10300 \ \texttt{J}. I am not sure how I would incorporate friction (if at all).
 
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You are making it much too complicated.
How do you usually calculate work done against gravity?
 
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They're looking for the work done by gravity. What's the force of gravity on the crate? Sketch in the gravitational force vector on your diagram. What distance does the crate move along the direction of the gravitational force vector?Edit: Oops! haruspex got there first!
 
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<br /> W=-mgh\\<br /> W=-mg(dcos\theta)\\<br /> W=-(700)(9.8)(3\sin{30})\\<br /> W=-10290 \ \texttt{J or } -10300 \ \texttt{J}<br />
Wow. I guess I was thrown off because they mentioned P. Thanks!

Out of curiosity, how would I find the work that friction does?
 
bob tran said:
Out of curiosity, how would I find the work that friction does?
Compare the actual results given (change in KE of the crate) with what it would have been if there were no friction. That means sorting out all the works done by the known forces.
 
gneill said:
Compare the actual results given (change in KE of the crate) with what it would have been if there were no friction. That means sorting out all the works done by the known forces.
So would it be like this?
<br /> W_f=mgd\sin{\theta}+\frac{1}{2}m(v^2_f-v^2_i)-Pd\cos{\theta}<br />
 
That looks promising. You might want to ponder on the signs of the terms. Consider, for example, that the work done by friction should be negative. And the force P is adding energy to the crate while gravity is stealing it.
 

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