Work done to pull the entire chain

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the work done to pull a chain of mass 4 kg and length 2 m onto a table, with part of the chain hanging off the edge. The original poster attempts to determine the work done against gravity for the hanging portion of the chain.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the original poster's approach of calculating work based solely on the mass of the hanging portion and its height. Questions arise regarding the assumption that the entire mass of the hanging part is at the same height below the table.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with some participants providing clarifications about the distribution of mass and the concept of lifting the center of mass of the hanging portion. There is recognition of the need to consider the varying heights of different segments of the hanging chain.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the assumptions about the mass distribution of the chain and the implications for calculating work done. The original poster's initial calculation does not align with the expected answer, prompting further exploration of the problem's setup.

deep838
Messages
117
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement


A chain of mass 4Kg and length 2m is lying on a table, such that 60 cm of one end is hanging from one edge off the table. Find the work done to pull the entire chain on the table.

Homework Equations


(anything that'll work i suppose)

The Attempt at a Solution


I thought that the work done to do this is simply the work done against gravity to lift the hanging mass.
The mass per unit length of the chain is λ=m/l=2Kg/m
So the mass of the hanging portion is λ*60cm=2*0.6Kg=1.2Kg
So the work done to lift it 0.6m up is 1.2*9.8*0.6J=7.056J

But the given answer is 3.6J.
What am I doing wrong?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
You assumed that the entire mass of the portion of the chain that needs to be lifted is 0.6 m below that table. But that is not correct. Most of the portion is above that. And those parts need less work. How could you take this into account?
 
I don't get that! The mass that's on the table is on the table! So shouldn't I lift only the part that's hanging?
 
The part that is hanging is contiguous. Only its end is 0.6 m below the table. The other bits of the hanging part are still below the table, but HIGHER than 0.6 m.
 
Oh yeah! of course! so if I assume lifting the centre of mass of the hanging portions, then I lift 1.2Kg by 0.3m! the answer then comes! thanks.
 
Correct.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
Replies
22
Views
5K
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
4K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
Replies
114
Views
16K
Replies
3
Views
6K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
5K