Work-Energy in carrying something down

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The discussion revolves around the work-energy principle as it applies to a scenario where Sara carries a heavy box of books down a flight of stairs. Participants are exploring the nature of work done on the box, particularly focusing on whether it is positive or negative work, and how potential energy changes during the process.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are examining the implications of work done by Sara on the box as it is carried down, questioning the definitions of positive and negative work in this context. They discuss the relationship between work and potential energy, and how the gravitational force affects the energy of the box.

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There is an active exploration of the concepts involved, with participants providing various explanations and interpretations of the work-energy relationship. Some have offered mathematical reasoning to support their views, while others are seeking further clarification on the implications of their findings.

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Participants are working within the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the depth of exploration. There is a noted lack of consensus on some aspects, particularly regarding the intuitive understanding of work done in relation to energy changes.

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Homework Statement
Sara carries a heavy box of books down a flight of stairs from the third floor to the first floor. Which one of the following statements best describes the work done on the box by Sara?
Relevant Equations
Wa=-Wg
Options are:

a) Sara doesn’t do any work on the heavy box of books.
b) Sara does a small amount of negative work on the heavy box of books.
c) Sara does a small amount of positive work on the heavy box of books.
d) Sara does a large amount of negative work on the heavy box of books.
e) Sara does a large amount of positive work on the heavy box of books.

Apparently, the answer is: "d) Sara does a large amount of negative work on the heavy box of books."

Can someone please explain why to me?
I'd like more than a definition-like answer so I can better understand the Work-Energy concepts here.
 
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lightlightsup said:
Homework Statement: Sara carries a heavy box of books down a flight of stairs from the third floor to the first floor. Which one of the following statements best describes the work done on the box by Sara?
Homework Equations: Wa=-Wg

Options are:

a) Sara doesn’t do any work on the heavy box of books.
b) Sara does a small amount of negative work on the heavy box of books.
c) Sara does a small amount of positive work on the heavy box of books.
d) Sara does a large amount of negative work on the heavy box of books.
e) Sara does a large amount of positive work on the heavy box of books.

Apparently, the answer is: "d) Sara does a large amount of negative work on the heavy box of books."

Can someone please explain why to me?
I'd like more than a definition-like answer so I can better understand the Work-Energy concepts here.

Do the books lose or gain energy in the process of being carried downstairs?
 
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PeroK said:
Do the books lose or gain energy in the process of being carried downstairs?
They lose potential energy.
So, there is negative work being done on the books because the books are losing gravitational potential energy?
 
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lightlightsup said:
They lose potential energy.
So, there is negative work being done on the books because the books are losing gravitational potential energy?

Yes. Another way to think about it is what would have happened to the books if Sara wasn't carrying them? Assume nothing else got in the way!
 
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Does this also make sense as an explanation?
Books carried down:
ΔK = Kf - K0 = Wa + Wg
0 = Wa + Wg
Wa = -Wg
Wg = mgd cos φ
φ = 0°
∴ Wa = -mgd

So, if the books were being carried up:
ΔK = Kf - K0 = Wa + Wg
0 = Wa + Wg
Wa = -Wg
Wg = mgd cos φ
φ = 180°
∴ Wa = -(-mgd) = mgd
 
lightlightsup said:
Does this also make sense as an explanation?
ΔK = Kf - K0 = Wa + Wg
0 = Wa + Wg
Wa = -Wg
Wg = mgd cos φ
φ = 180°
∴ Wa = -mgd

You'll need to explain what all those steps mean.
 
lightlightsup said:
Does this also make sense as an explanation?
Books carried down:
ΔK = Kf - K0 = Wa + Wg
0 = Wa + Wg
Wa = -Wg
Wg = mgd cos φ
φ = 0°
∴ Wa = -mgd

So, if the books were being carried up:
ΔK = Kf - K0 = Wa + Wg
0 = Wa + Wg
Wa = -Wg
Wg = mgd cos φ
φ = 180°
∴ Wa = -(-mgd) = mgd

The ΔK of the books here is 0.
But, there is displacement (d), so there is only work being done by Sara (Wa, work applied) and work being done by gravity (Wg). Their sum must be 0 whether the books are being moved up or down.
If the displacement is down, the angle between Fg (mg) and d is 0°, and cos 0° = 1.
If the displacement is up, the angle between Fg (mg) and d is 180°, and cos 180° = -1.
Your initial explanation is much better and more intuitive but I haven't gotten to really studying U (potential energy) yet.
 
PeroK said:
Yes. Another way to think about it is what would have happened to the books if Sara wasn't carrying them? Assume nothing else got in the way!

The books would gain kinetic energy and lose potential energy.
Therefore, Sara did negative work to prevent the books from gaining kinetic energy.
She "took energy from the object (books)", therefore it is -W.
 
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@PeroK : Thank You.
ΔK = Kf - K0 = Wa + Wg
This equation also makes a lot more sense now.
If I were to push an object down towards the Earth and increase its K, I'm adding to the Wg (mgdcos0) (work being done by gravity to increase the object's K).
 

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