Work Energy/Momentum Problem - Why is there a loss of energy?

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The discussion revolves around a work-energy and momentum problem, specifically addressing the loss of energy during a collision. Participants are examining the nature of the collision, whether it is elastic or inelastic, and the implications of energy loss in such scenarios.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants are questioning the type of collision occurring at point B and the factors contributing to energy loss. There are inquiries about specific terms in the problem, particularly a red-circled term, and its relation to angular momentum and the principles of conservation.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring different interpretations of the collision type and the associated energy dynamics. Some guidance has been provided regarding the relationship between the terms in the equations and the principles they represent, but no consensus has been reached on the specifics of the collision or the energy loss mechanisms.

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Participants note that certain information, such as the coefficient of restitution and the final velocity, is missing, which complicates the determination of the collision type. The assumption that the ball remains in contact with the corner during the collision is also highlighted.

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First off, where is the energy loss going into? What causes the system to lose energy?

Secondly what is the term I circled in red? The one with 0.22948, where does that come from?

Thanks!
 
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1. What type of collision takes place at point B? Elastic or inelastic?

2. For the red circled term, do you understand the term before it? The red circled term is similar. What principle is being expressed by the equation that contains these terms?
 
TSny said:
1. What type of collision takes place at point B? Elastic or inelastic?

2. For the red circled term, do you understand the term before it? The red circled term is similar. What principle is being expressed by the equation that contains these terms?

1. I'm not sure if it's elastic or inelastic, don't you need the coefficient of restitution to know? Which means you need to know the initial and final velocity. In this case we are missing e and the final velocity.

2. The term before it is the angular momentum at B about the center of mass right? I see it on the diagram on the bottom left corner of the solution. But I don't see the other term any where on the diagram. The principle is conservation of angular momentum.
 
theBEAST said:
1. I'm not sure if it's elastic or inelastic, don't you need the coefficient of restitution to know? Which means you need to know the initial and final velocity. In this case we are missing e and the final velocity.
The ball is assumed to remain in contact with the corner at B during the collision at B. If the collision were elastic, it would bounce off B.
2. The term before it is the angular momentum at B about the center of mass right? I see it on the diagram on the bottom left corner of the solution. But I don't see the other term any where on the diagram. The principle is conservation of angular momentum.
If you study the term before the red-circled term, you can see that it represents just the part of the angular momentum due to the horizontal component of the velocity of the center of the ball at time t2.
 
TSny said:
The ball is assumed to remain in contact with the corner at B during the collision at B. If the collision were elastic, it would bounce off B.

If you study the term before the red-circled term, you can see that it represents just the part of the angular momentum due to the horizontal component of the velocity of the center of the ball at time t2.

1. Alright so essentially we have energy lost because it is an inelastic collision. Some energy goes into heat and some into sound right?

2. OHHHHHHHHHHH I think I got it. I think you mean vertical component of the velocity right. Because sin6.892 of the momentum is the vertical component. That would explain why it is negative since r x (mv) is into the page and thus clockwise.

Also thanks a lot for you help!
 
theBEAST said:
1. Alright so essentially we have energy lost because it is an inelastic collision. Some energy goes into heat and some into sound right?
Right.
I think you mean vertical component of the velocity right. Because sin6.892 of the momentum is the vertical component. That would explain why it is negative since r x (mv) is into the page and thus clockwise.
Well, I was speaking of the term before the red-circled term. But, yes, the term that you circled would correspond to the vertical component. Good!
 

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