Work-Energy Principle: Pulley System

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Homework Statement


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We know masses M and m, and I am trying to describe the downward speed of m in terms of the height from the ground. There is no friction

Homework Equations



[itex]\sum \text{F} = ma[/itex]
[itex]W_{\text{total}} = \Delta K = \int \text{F} \cdot d\text{s}[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution



I first need to note that the distance moved by [itex]M[/itex] is half of that moved by [itex]m[/itex] and thus the acceleration of [itex]M[/itex] is half that of [itex]m[/itex], or [itex]a_M = a_m/2[/itex].

I first solved the problem using only Newtons laws, so from the FBD I solved for the acceleration of [itex]m[/itex]:

$$a_m = v\frac{dv}{dh} = \frac{mg}{M/4 + m} \implies v = \sqrt{\frac{2mgh}{M/4 + m}}$$

Now if I use the Work-Energy principle, I get that [itex]W_{\text{total}} = W_{\text{tension}_x} + W_{\text{tension}_y} + W_g[/itex].

This is where I think I am not understanding something:

Work done by tension on [itex]M[/itex] is equal to the work done by tension on [itex]m[/itex] even though force of tension on [itex]M[/itex] is twice that of the force of tension on [itex]m[/itex] because it travels half the distance, and since tension acting on [itex]m[/itex] is acting opposite the direction of motion, it is negative, so [itex]W_{\text{tension}_x} = -W_{\text{tension}_y}[/itex], so

$$W_{\text{total}} = W_g = mgh = \frac{1}{2}(m + M)v^2 = \Delta K $$
so

[itex]v = \sqrt{\frac{2mgh}{m+M}}[/itex]

I am not sure what I am missing that gives me [itex]m+M[/itex] instead of [itex]m + M/4[/itex] in the denominator. I would appreciate some help!

Thanks

[EDIT] The answer in the back of the book is the same as the answer I got using Newtons laws
 

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matineesuxxx said:
$$W_{\text{total}} = W_g = mgh = \frac{1}{2}(m + M)v^2 = \Delta K $$

The masses are moving with different speeds .
 
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Tanya Sharma said:
The masses are moving with different speeds .

Hah, wow. Total brain fart there. Thank you very much!
 
Even the answer you are getting by force approach is incorrect .
 
Tanya Sharma said:
Even the answer you are getting by force approach is incorrect .

How is that? It's the same as in the book as well
 
Sorry ... its correct .
 
Thanks for your help.
 
You are welcome :)