1. Not finding help here? Sign up for a free 30min tutor trial with Chegg Tutors
    Dismiss Notice
Dismiss Notice
Join Physics Forums Today!
The friendliest, high quality science and math community on the planet! Everyone who loves science is here!

Work-Energy Theorem in Inertial Reference Frames

  1. Sep 5, 2008 #1
    OK, I'm working on a question regarding IRFs, but I seem to be a little confused.

    Question:
    Observer A is on the ground and Observer B in on a train moving with uniform velocity v wrt the ground. Each observes that a particle of mass m, initially at rest wrt the train, is acted upon by a constant force F applied to it in the forward direction for a time t.
    a)What is the work done on the particle by F in referece frame A and B? Are they equal?
    b)What are the changes in kinetic energy observed by A and B?
    c)Does the Work-energy theorem hold in reference frames of observers A and B?

    So, as I understand it, the particle is on the train as it is initially at rest wrt the train (i.e. it is moving with the train). The Force applied in the positive direction indicates that the train has slowed or stopped causing it to jerk forward.

    Here is where I get confused, how is the work different for each reference frame? If the train is moving in the +x direction, then the particle is also moving in the +x direction, then does A see the train move in the +x and B see the train move in -x direction?

    How does this change kinetic energy?

    Thanks!
     
  2. jcsd
  3. Sep 5, 2008 #2

    jtbell

    User Avatar

    Staff: Mentor

    No, I don't think that's the situation here. Imagine a food cart resting in the aisle of the train, stationary as seen by observer B on the train, but moving (in the +x direction) as seen by observer A on the ground. A train attendant comes along and pushes the cart down the aisle. Imagine that we can ignore friction, so if the attendant pushes with a constant force, the cart accelerates (in both reference frames).
     
  4. Sep 5, 2008 #3
    I see your point, that does make sense.

    So, the particle is moving wrt to both reference frames, but I'm still stuck on how the different reference frames affect work...
     
  5. Sep 5, 2008 #4

    tiny-tim

    User Avatar
    Science Advisor
    Homework Helper

    Hi Quelsita! :smile:
    No … where do you get that from? :confused:
    Hint: Force = rate of change of momentum, which you can fairly easily prove is the same for both frames.

    But the work done = force x distance moved by the point of application of the force (the particle), which is different for both frames.

    How far does the particle move in time t in frame A? and how far in frame B? :smile:
     
Know someone interested in this topic? Share this thread via Reddit, Google+, Twitter, or Facebook

Have something to add?



Similar Discussions: Work-Energy Theorem in Inertial Reference Frames
Loading...