Work & Energy: Understanding Negative Work & Potential Energy Gain

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of work and energy, specifically focusing on negative work and potential energy gain in physics. Participants explore scenarios involving gravitational fields and electric fields, questioning how energy is gained despite the presence of negative work.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between work done by external forces and the work done by fields, questioning how negative work can coexist with energy gain. They reference specific examples involving lifting objects and moving charges in electric fields.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on the implications of negative work and its effect on potential energy. Some have provided definitions and examples, while others continue to express confusion about the underlying principles.

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Participants are grappling with the definitions of work and potential energy, particularly in the context of conservative forces and the implications of negative work. There is an acknowledgment of varying interpretations of the concepts involved.

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For some reason I am getting stuck with problems that seem to be very simple.

I get quite confused with the matter that, when fields do negative work, an object gains energy.

So, for example. When we raise a book to a shelf, we are doing positive work equal to mgh and gravity is doing negative work equal to -mgh. Yet, the book gains potential energy. How?

Similarly, when we move a positive charge towards a negative plate through a distance s, we perform work equal to qEs, the field does -qEs and the charge gains potential energy. How?

Sorry if I am failing to spot anything really simple! I might have had a bit too much of studying today :redface:

Thanks in advance
 
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Potential energy represents stored work. If a conservative
force does positive work (as does gravity on a falling object), then potential energy must
decrease—and that means ΔU must be negative.
 
Hi. Thanks for your answer! The only thing that still bothers me is the negative work. How can there be a gain in potential energy if there is positive and negative work of equal magnitudes acting on a object!?
 
ΔW=-ΔU by definition

Why negative sign? As in post#2.
 
But then doesn't that imply the gain in PE is a result of the external force doing work and the negative work done by the field?
 
Here an example from 3000 solved problem-Schaum's Series.

7.40
How much work is done in moving a body of mass 1.0kg from an elevation of 2 m. to an elevation of 20m,
a) by the gravitational field of the earth?
b) by the external agent lifting the body?

a) W=-ΔU=-176.4J
The work is negative because the force oppose the motion.

b)W'=ΔK+ΔU
If the body is unaccelerated(ΔK=0), then W'=176.4J, the negative of the gravitational work.
 

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