Work of Varying X Component by Integration

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The problem involves calculating the work done by a variable x component of force on a crate moving between two points, A and B, using integration. The crate has a mass of 76 kg and starts from rest, reaching a speed of 8 m/s. The force in question is constant at 756 N, but the angle of application varies due to the geometry of the setup, which includes a pulley positioned at a height of 5 m.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the variable angle and the displacement, particularly how to express cos θ in terms of x. There is an exploration of the limits of integration and the formulation of the integral. Some participants express confusion about the integration process and the resulting values, questioning whether the obtained work seems reasonable given the constraints of the problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the integration process and questioning each other's reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the integration of specific terms, and there is recognition of potential errors in the setup of the integral. Multiple interpretations of the limits of integration are being explored, indicating a collaborative effort to clarify the problem.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of a diagram that participants are referencing, which may not be fully visible to all. The problem's constraints include the specific distances involved and the vertical position of the pulley, which are critical to understanding the geometry of the situation. Participants are also grappling with the integration of a square root of a sum of squares, indicating a level of complexity in the mathematical approach required.

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Homework Statement


A 76-kg crate starts from rest at A and is moving at 8 m/s. Using integration, find the work done between A and B of the variable x component of force F= 756 N. (See attached jpeg for the geometry of the problem)

EDIT: We are doing a variation of the problem shown in the jpeg below, the only difference being the length from A to B (5 m instead of 6 m) and the vertical position of the pulley (5 m instead of 6 m).



Homework Equations


U1-2= ∫F cos θ dx


The Attempt at a Solution


Since F is constant and cos θ is variable, I've tried to relate cos θ in terms of the displacement in x. Since cos θ = Δx/Δ(Length of rope), and because the vertical displacement of the pulley remains constant (5 m), I obtained a value of:

cos θ = x/(x2 + 25)-1/2

Whenever I solve this integral I end up with a value equal to the magnitude of the force multiplied by a displacement of 7.5 m in x which, from the geometry of the problem, is impossible. Obviously, I'm just not looking at this correctly. Any hints would be very helpful, and thank you in advance.
 

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Ad Astra said:
Since F is constant and cos θ is variable, I've tried to relate cos θ in terms of the displacement in x. Since cos θ = Δx/Δ(Length of rope), and because the vertical displacement of the pulley remains constant (5 m), I obtained a value of:

cos θ = x/(x2 + 25)-1/2
Looks good. (Except for the minus sign in front of the 1/2. I assume that was a typo.)
Whenever I solve this integral I end up with a value equal to the magnitude of the force multiplied by a displacement of 7.5 m in x which, from the geometry of the problem, is impossible.
What did you get when you integrated? What were your limits of integration?
 
0m5m (F cos θ) dx

= F∫0m5m (cos θ) dx

= F∫0m5m [x(x2 + 25)-1/2] dx

= F∫0m5m [1 + (x/5)] dx

= F{∫0m5m dx + 1/5∫0m5m x dx}

= F{[x + x2/10]5m0m}

= F{[(5 m) + (5 m)2/10] - [0]}

= F(7.5 m), where F= 756 N

= 5670 J

This just seems to be too high a value to me. Since the x component of F is always decreasing and can never be more than F itself and, furthermore, is not applied for a displacement greater than 5 m, I feel this value should be lower than this. Maybe I'm wrong, but I can't figure out where it is exactly that I'm going wrong.

Sorry if my notation seems a little sloppy, I've never tried to express an integral via digital media before. I hope it makes sense.
 
Ad Astra said:
0m5m (F cos θ) dx

= F∫0m5m (cos θ) dx

= F∫0m5m [x(x2 + 25)-1/2] dx
OK. Are the limits 0 to 5 or 2 to 7?

= F∫0m5m [1 + (x/5)] dx
:confused: How did you get this?
 
Doc Al said:
OK. Are the limits 0 to 5 or 2 to 7?


:confused: How did you get this?

I wish there was an emoticon for an embarrassed slap to one's own forehead. I can't believe I made such an amateurish move. I guess I somehow convinced myself that (a + b)x was equal to ax + bx and then multiplied both terms by x. I was just trying to simplify my integral before trying to integrate.

Now I feel better for knowing where I was going wrong, but am left with the task of integrating the square root of a sum of squares. I don't even know where to begin on that one. Maybe some sort of trig substitution?

My teacher said that it was fairly simple integral and now I feel like a moron for not being able to grasp it. I feel like the answer is right there in front of me and I'm just not seeing it...:confused:

EDIT: The upper limits are from A to B (in the picture I provided), or from 0m to 5 m so far as I can tell.
 
Ad Astra said:
Now I feel better for knowing where I was going wrong, but am left with the task of integrating the square root of a sum of squares. I don't even know where to begin on that one. Maybe some sort of trig substitution?
Nah, nothing that complicated.

You need to find the antiderivative of \frac{x}{\sqrt{x^2 + a^2}}

Play around with it a bit. (Or just look it up!)
EDIT: The upper limits are from A to B (in the picture I provided), or from 0m to 5 m so far as I can tell.
In your diagram, B is not directly under C.
 

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