Working in a Vacuum & zero gravity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges and considerations of working in a vacuum environment, particularly in relation to space suits and their testing before use in space. Participants explore the differences between laboratory vacuums and the vacuum of space, the pressures involved in space suits, and the sealing mechanisms required for helmets.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question how a human can work in a vacuum and seek to understand the testing processes for space suits before they are used in space.
  • There is inquiry into whether the vacuum in space is as intense as that found in laboratory settings.
  • Participants discuss the necessary pressure within a space suit to protect the wearer and how this compares to pressures experienced in underwater training environments.
  • One participant notes that maintaining seals in space suits is less stringent than in vacuum chambers used for material science, due to the different requirements for positive pressure inside the suits.
  • A participant mentions that structural integrity testing can be performed at lower pressures, indicating that testing at 10-3 Torr can be sufficient for ensuring performance at even lower pressures.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the specific pressures and sealing techniques used in space suits, suggesting further research may be needed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and uncertainty regarding the specifics of vacuum pressures and sealing techniques, indicating that multiple competing views remain on these topics.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about pressure comparisons and the specific requirements for sealing in different environments, which remain unresolved.

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Having seen plenty of 'vacuum in a tube' tests on youtube I am wondering how a human can work in such an environment. I'm trying to understand how a space suit can be tested before it is used 'live' in space, and how seemingly 'everyday' materials are used to protect astronauts from the harsh environment.

Is the vacuum in space as 'intense' as a vacuum in a laboratory?
What pressure would be in a space suit to protect the wearer?
What pressure(s) would a vacuum have on a suit in space compared to an underwater training environment?
What kind of seals would there likely be on the helmet?
 
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Gapster said:
I'm trying to understand how a space suit can be tested before it is used 'live' in space,

air pressured leak tests

Gapster said:
What pressure would be in a space suit to protect the wearer?
What pressure(s) would a vacuum have on a suit in space compared to an underwater training environment?
What kind of seals would there likely be on the helmet?

what searching have you done so far ?
I'm sure there would be info on NASA or other space sites that would give answers to most of this
Gapster said:
What pressure(s) would a vacuum have on a suit in space compared to an underwater training environment?

well, they would be opposite for a start
 
Gapster said:
Having seen plenty of 'vacuum in a tube' tests on youtube I am wondering how a human can work in such an environment. I'm trying to understand how a space suit can be tested before it is used 'live' in space, and how seemingly 'everyday' materials are used to protect astronauts from the harsh environment.

Is the vacuum in space as 'intense' as a vacuum in a laboratory?
What pressure would be in a space suit to protect the wearer?
What pressure(s) would a vacuum have on a suit in space compared to an underwater training environment?
What kind of seals would there likely be on the helmet?

In terms of structural integrity of something, once one get from the viscous regime into the molecular vacuum regime, it no longer makes significant difference on how low the pressure gets in testing stuff. So we can easily test structural integrity in vacuum of 10-3 Torr and this will allows us to know that the structure will also hold up at lower pressures.

Maintain seals is a different issue. It also depends on what you are sealing against, because in terms of space suits where you are making sure there is always a positive pressure inside the suits, the seal isn't as stringent as, say, a vacuum chamber that needs to make sure there is as few contaminants as possible and having to maintain 10-11 Torr of pressure. In the latter, even the outgassing from the walls of the chamber is an issue, which is not a problem for space suits.

So while most people think that trying to seal a space suit must be difficult, in terms of the technique alone, what we do on Earth for the vacuum requirement in condensed matter/material science research experiments can be significantly more demanding that those space suits.

Zz.
 

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