Working out the current though bulbs in a circuit by applying Kirchoff's laws

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The discussion revolves around analyzing the brightness of bulbs in a circuit using Kirchhoff's laws. The original poster attempts to compare the brightness of lettered bulbs to a reference bulb in a simpler circuit, with all components being identical.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss applying Kirchhoff's current and voltage laws to derive relationships between currents in different branches of the circuit. There are attempts to simplify equations and express currents in terms of the total current.

Discussion Status

Some participants provide guidance on manipulating equations and suggest methods for combining them. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the next steps but is actively engaging with the problem. There is an exploration of the implications of the derived equations on the brightness of the bulbs.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the assumption that all bulbs and cells are identical, which is central to the analysis of brightness based on current. The original poster also reflects on the direction of currents affecting the state of the bulbs.

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Homework Statement


I am trying to determine the birghtness of the lettered bulbs relative to the brightness of the bulb in the first and simplest circuit by giving a mathematical explanation using Kirchoff's laws. All cells and bulbs are identical.
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Homework Equations


Kirchoff's current and voltage laws


The Attempt at a Solution


I define that the bulb in the first circuit will have power P=I^2*R and because each bulb is identical, the resistance of all the bulbs in every circuit will be the same. Therefore the brightness of the bulb only depends on the current so if I work out the current for the lettered bulbs and compare that to the bulb in the first circuit with current (I=V/R) then I can say if the lettered bulbs are brighter or dimmer then the original bulb.

For the circuit with bulbs lettered d and c I get stuck after splitting the circuit vertically into two closed circuits:
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Applying Kirchoff's voltage law I get:
V - (R*I1)) - R*(I1 - I2) = 0
and
V - R*(I2 - I1) - (R*I2)

I need to find I1 and I2 in terms of I but I am unsure where to go from this.
 
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Rct33 said:
Applying Kirchoff's voltage law I get:
V - (R*I1)) - R*(I1 - I2) = 0
and
V - R*(I2 - I1) - (R*I2)

I need to find I1 and I2 in terms of I but I am unsure where to go from this.
There's an obvious way to simplify that equation. Then divide through by R so that you get I in there. And you have another equation for the second circuit.
 
Multiply both equations out. Then multiply one of them by 2 and add the equations together. Don't be afraid to try things out - you just may find that you can solve them!
 
Okay I will try
 
Rct33 said:
Okay I will try

V - (R*I1) - R*(I1 - I2) = 0
and
V - R*(I2 - I1) - (R*I2) = 0

Therefore

I - 2*I1 + I2 = 0

I - 2*I2 + I1 = 0

I solved these to get
I1 = I

therefore I2 = I

[STRIKE]Therefore D and C have the same brightness as the original bulb. Will now try for the third circuit.[/STRIKE]

EDIT: Actually noticed that I1 and I2 have the same magnitude but opposite direction so the total current through bulb D is 0 so it is off. Bulb C still has the same brightness though.
 
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