Wormholes with a different gravitational potential at each end

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The discussion revolves around the concept of wormholes, particularly focusing on the implications of having different gravitational potentials at each end of a wormhole. Participants explore theoretical scenarios, potential energy gradients, and the feasibility of such constructs within the framework of physics.

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  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Speculative

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the practicality of traversing a wormhole between Earth and the moon, highlighting the significant difference in gravitational potential energy and the expected forces involved.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the existence of wormholes, suggesting that mathematical possibilities do not equate to physical reality and advocating for more practical concepts like teleportation.
  • A different participant counters the skepticism by emphasizing the value of exploring theoretical contradictions and bizarre predictions in physics, referencing historical discoveries like relativity.
  • One participant agrees with the concerns about potential energy gradients within the wormhole, citing a source that discusses the impossibility of gaining unlimited energy from a vertically arranged wormhole due to the requirements of general relativity.
  • Another participant reiterates skepticism about the speculative nature of wormholes, suggesting that the topic may not be suitable for the forum.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus among participants. Some express skepticism about the feasibility of wormholes, while others engage with the theoretical implications and explore the physics involved. The discussion remains unresolved with competing views on the validity and implications of wormholes.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying degrees of skepticism and speculation regarding the physical reality of wormholes, with some emphasizing the need for empirical evidence. The discussion includes references to general relativity and the challenges of energy dynamics within theoretical wormholes.

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Hi - I have a question about wormholes, specifically when the two endpoints have a different gravitational potential.

If we imagine the technology extisted to create a person sized wormhole between say the Earth and the moon, I think the popular perception would be that one could simply walk through the wormhole on Earth and walk out on the moon.

However there is clearly a big difference in gravitational potential energy between the Earth and the moon. A rocket leaving the Earth has to expend a lot of energy climbing out of the Earth's gravitational well, and not much breaking against the moon's gravity when it lands.

If the wormhole is say one meter long, this difference in potential occurs over the space of meter instead of the 200,000 miles or so of ordinary space. So I would expect their to be massive gradient inside the wormole, which would require a massive force to get something through. Converly if one pushed an object from the Earth to the moon it would experience a huge force pushing it down to the Earth and presumably smash to bits.

Is this roughly correct?
 
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I tend to dismiss the entire concept of 'wormholes', until and if they are found or created. Just because something appears to be possible mathmatically (with all the assumptions and approximations inherent in the math equations), doesn't make it necessarily physically possible. Therefore, any additional bizarre questions about the nature of these imaginary things seems like a waste of time to me. Just my 2c. I'd prefer you think about Trek like transporters... at least these may be possible to build. (search 'Spooky action at a distance' and teleportation)...
 
@RocketSci5KN: "...any additional bizarre questions about the nature of these imaginary things seems like a waste of time to me..."
You're not thinking like physicists do. It is exceedingly productive to ponder areas of your physical theories that seem to lead to contradictions or make bizarre predictions. This is how Einstein discovered relativity in the first place (by considering the absurd and impossible notion of an observer traveling at the speed of light).

@patfada: As I understand it, you are correct about there being an extreme potential gradient within the wormhole. Here is an excerpt from a Wormhole FAQ that seems to confirm your insight.

Is a wormhole whose mouths are arranged vertically in a gravitational field a source of unlimited energy?
No. The argument in favor of such a wormhole being an energy source is this: An object falls from the upper mouth, gains kinetic energy as it falls, enters the lower mouth, reemerges from the upper mouth with this newly acquired kinetic energy, and repeats the cycle to gain even more kinetic energy ad infinitum. The problem with this is that general relativity does not permit discontinuities in the metric – the descriptor of the geometry of spacetime. This means that the gravitational potential of an object at the lower mouth must continuously rise within the wormhole to match the potential it had at the upper mouth. In other words, this traversal of the wormhole is “uphill” and therefore requires work. This work precisely cancels the gain in kinetic energy.

I believe that the FAQ comes from a book written by a physicist (The Physics of Stargates -- Parallel Universes, Time Travel, and the Enigma of Wormhole Physics by Enrico Rodrigo)
 
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RocketSci5KN said:
I tend to dismiss the entire concept of 'wormholes', until and if they are found or created. Just because something appears to be possible mathmatically (with all the assumptions and approximations inherent in the math equations), doesn't make it necessarily physically possible. Therefore, any additional bizarre questions about the nature of these imaginary things seems like a waste of time to me. Just my 2c. I'd prefer you think about Trek like transporters... at least these may be possible to build. (search 'Spooky action at a distance' and teleportation)...

Thank you. Well said.

I would tend to say something less helpful like "Don't the wormhole people have a wormhole site they can go to?"
 
This topic is too speculative for this forum.

Zz.
 
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