Wow So many steps to start a business

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The discussion revolves around the complexities and requirements of starting a business, with participants sharing their experiences and insights regarding the necessary forms and regulations in different countries, particularly the US and Canada. The scope includes theoretical considerations, practical applications, and personal anecdotes related to business registration and compliance.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses frustration over the numerous forms required to start a business in the US and questions whether they have all the necessary documentation.
  • Another participant suggests checking resources from Nolo Press and inquires about the original poster's location.
  • A participant from Canada claims that no forms are needed for small businesses, prompting further discussion about the accuracy of this statement.
  • Some participants discuss the requirements for starting a business in Canada, noting that while some forms may not be necessary for small businesses, others are required for specific business structures or activities.
  • One participant mentions the benefits of using BizPaL, an online service that simplifies the process of obtaining business permits and licenses in Canada.
  • Another participant shares their plan to start an LLC as a reseller of industrial equipment, indicating their previous experience and contacts in the industry.
  • Disagreement arises regarding the necessity of business permits, with some asserting they are essential for certain activities while others argue they are not required for all business types.
  • Participants highlight the variability of requirements based on the type of business and location, emphasizing that the process can differ significantly between the US and Canada.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the necessity of forms and permits for starting a business, particularly between the US and Canada. Multiple competing views remain regarding the requirements and processes involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the requirements for starting a business can vary widely based on location, type of business, and specific local regulations. There are mentions of missing assumptions and the complexity of navigating different regulatory environments.

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I would like to get a business started by year's end, but Christ. I'm going crazy looking at all these forms I have to fill out, and I'm not sure these are all the ones I need.

I'm going to pull my hair out...
 
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thakid87 said:
I would like to get a business started by year's end, but Christ. I'm going crazy looking at all these forms I have to fill out, and I'm not sure these are all the ones I need.

I'm going to pull my hair out...

What city and country are you in? The Nolo Press has some helpful books and resources that should be of use to you. Look in the business section at the top of this page:

http://www.nolopress.com/
 
berkeman said:
What city and country are you in? The Nolo Press has some helpful books and resources that should be of use to you. Look in the business section at the top of this page:

http://www.nolopress.com/

That website looks like its going to be a big help. Thank you. I'll have to take a look at it when I get home later on today.

Oh, I'm in Miami, Fl.
 
In Canada, you don't need to fill out any forms for a small business.
 
JasonRox said:
In Canada, you don't need to fill out any forms for a small business.

Free healthcare and no forms. Is school free as well?

I think I'm going to move...
 
What kind of business are you starting?

You might check with the Small Business Administration
http://www.sba.gov/
 
Going from what I've read, It'd be best for me start this as an LLC. I'll basically be a reseller of industrial equipment, parts, engine parts, starters, etc. I've been in this a couple of years and I really can't take working for somebody else. I have contacts in high places that can offer me decent discounts for something that I'll be running on my own.

Thanks a lot for all the info, guys.
 
thakid87 said:
Free healthcare and no forms. Is school free as well?

I think I'm going to move...

it depends on what city you live in, but that's true:
http://www.bizpal.ca/index_e.shtml

BizPaL is an online service that simplifies the business permit, license and other compliance regulation process for entrepreneurs, governments, and third party business service providers.

Easy and convenient, BizPaL provides Canadian businesses with one-stop access to permit and license information for all levels of government.

The service’s primary goals are to slash document research time and help entrepreneurs start up faster.
 
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JasonRox said:
In Canada, you don't need to fill out any forms for a small business.

Well, I don't know what sort of forms need filling out in the US, but if you want an incorporated company structure for your small business, there are the Corporate Registry forms to fill out and then Minute Book documents to create. If you're opening a shop, you need to sign leases, apply for a business permit, pass police checks. If you are running certain professional services, you have to complete forms for your professional licensing. It's not entirely form-free to start a business here.
 
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GeorginaS said:
Well, I don't know what sort of forms need filling out in the US, but if you want an incorporated company structure for your small business, there are the Corporate Registry forms to fill out and then Minute Book documents to create. If you're opening a shop, you need to sign leases, apply for a business permit, pass police checks. If you are running certain professional services, you have to complete forms for your professional licensing. It's not entirely form-free to start a business here.

As I understand it, with BizPal (= Business Permits & Licensing) all someone needs to do is fill in the blanks. The best analogy I can think of is a program for doing income tax. There's no need for someone to mess around with paperwork & wonder if they've got all the federal, provincial or municipal forms they need. They just answer the questions about their business that come up on the screen. The whole country isn't part of it though; Nunavut, Quebec, PEI & N&L haven't signed up yet, and in the provinces that have signed up not every municipality has either. The list of all the participants (minus New Brunswick) is here:
http://www.bizpal.ca/part_partners.shtml
 
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GeorginaS said:
Well, I don't know what sort of forms need filling out in the US, but if you want an incorporated company structure for your small business, there are the Corporate Registry forms to fill out and then Minute Book documents to create. If you're opening a shop, you need to sign leases, apply for a business permit, pass police checks. If you are running certain professional services, you have to complete forms for your professional licensing. It's not entirely form-free to start a business here.

From what I've gathered, all I will need are a reseller's certificate/license and my tax certificate. I don't plan on having any employees, yet. I can get "dealer" status with some big companies if I do things right. This stuff gets expensive!
 
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GeorginaS said:
Well, I don't know what sort of forms need filling out in the US, but if you want an incorporated company structure for your small business, there are the Corporate Registry forms to fill out and then Minute Book documents to create. If you're opening a shop, you need to sign leases, apply for a business permit, pass police checks. If you are running certain professional services, you have to complete forms for your professional licensing. It's not entirely form-free to start a business here.

You don't need a business permit. The business permit only provides tax breaks, and allows you to do certain things like lease a building in some area and so on.

If all you want to do is gardening, then you can run it out of your own home and people can call you for your services.
 
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JasonRox said:
You don't need a business permit. The business permit only provides tax breaks, and allows you to do certain things like lease a building in some area and so on.

If all you want to do is gardening, then you can run it out of your own home and people can call you for your services.

No, a business permit doesn't provide tax breaks. It's necessary if you open a shop or lease space open to the public as I wrote in my initial post. It means you are registered to do business in a public place within the city you live.

Plus, I forgot about registering for a business account with Revenue Canada for a business number for a GST account and payroll account.

Truly, it depends on what sort of business you're opening how many different forms and pieces of paper. I've had, at one point or other, to fill out all of them from start to finish, both for me and for other people. More than once.

I was just pointing out that saying there were "no forms" to fill out when opening a company in Canada is just plain wrong. I don't know what the hoops are in the States, but I'm more than aware of what the hoops look like here. As I said, I've done them. Lots.
 

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