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The discussion focuses on expressing the number 3.1415999999999... as a ratio of two integers, similar to the example of 2.3171717... provided in a book. The user attempted to apply a geometric series approach but arrived at 3.1416 instead of the original number. The consensus is that 3.1416 is indeed equivalent to 3.1415999999999..., confirming that any fractional representation of one is valid for the other. The conversation emphasizes the correctness of numerical representation without the need for complex series calculations.

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Problem: Write the number 3.1415999999999... as a ratio of two integers.

In my book, they have a similar example, but using 2.3171717... And this is how they solved that problem.

2.3171717... = 2.3 + (17/10^3) + (17/10^5) + (17/10^7) + ...

After the first term we have a geometric series with a = (17/10^3) and r = (1/10^2). Therefore:

2.3171717... = 2.3 + [(17/10^3) / (1 - (1/10^2))] = 2.3 + [(17/1000)/(99/100)] = (23/10) + (17/990) = 1147/495 == 2.3171717...

Thinking I could follow the similar steps with a different number, I thought it would work, but it really isn't.

This is what I did:

3.1415999999999... = 3.1415 + (99/10^6) + (99/10^8) + (99/10^10)

a = (99/10^6) and r = (1/10^2)

3.1415 + [(99/10^6) / (1 - (1/10^2))] = 3.1415 + [(99/1000000)/(99/100) = (31415/10000) + (1/10000) = (31416/10000) = 3.1416 which isn't 3.1415999999999...

What am I doing wrong?

Thanks
 
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3.1416 which isn't 3.1415999999999...

Actually, it is.


P.S. any particular reason you were grouping the nines in pairs?
 
technically, it is, but is that correct though? and no, there was no reason i paired them up.
 
noboost4you said:
technically, it is, but is that correct though? and no, there was no reason i paired them up.

3.1416=3.141599999999... is very true. So any fractional representation of one is a representation of the other. In fact, that's how I would have solved this problem; I wouldn't have bothered with an infinite geometric series in this case.
 
noboost4you said:
technically, it is, but is that correct though? and no, there was no reason i paired them up.


Techically it's true but is it correct? Is that what you are asking?

"True" is "true"- there is no "technically"! And if it's true, then it's correct.
 

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