Writing recommendation letters

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the practices and perceptions surrounding writing recommendation letters by professors for students applying to universities. It explores motivations, the perceived value of letters based on the recommender's reputation, and the content of the letters themselves.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that professors are generally willing to write recommendation letters for students they believe will succeed, viewing it as part of their responsibilities.
  • Others question the idea that professors might write letters to enhance their own profiles within admissions committees, with some expressing skepticism about this motivation.
  • Several participants note that writing recommendation letters can serve as encouragement for students, particularly those who may feel uncomfortable asking for them.
  • There is a discussion about whether recommendation letters from professors at prestigious universities carry more weight than those from less renowned institutions, with some arguing that the content of the letter is also crucial.
  • Some participants emphasize the importance of the specifics included in recommendation letters, suggesting that detailed examples of a student's abilities and achievements can enhance the letter's value.
  • There is a debate about whether the value of a recommendation letter is determined more by the content of the letter or the reputation of the recommender.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the motivations behind writing recommendation letters and the factors that contribute to their value. There is no consensus on whether the reputation of the recommender or the content of the letter is more significant.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the motivations of professors and the criteria used by admissions committees remain unresolved. The discussion reflects varying perspectives on the significance of specific details in recommendation letters.

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Do professors always wish to write recommendation letters for bright students they personally know very well?

Is it quite often done to build up a good profile of the professor in the admissions committee of the university the student applies to?
 
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Professors will typically be happy to write letters of recommendation for a student they think will do well at a given university- it is a standard part of the job. I don't understand what you mean by "build up a good profile of the professor in the admissions committee". I can't imagine why a professor would worry about such a thing.
 
I don't know either, but I've seen professors expressing desire to write letters of recommendations for some of my extremely bright classmates?
 
failexam said:
I don't know either, but I've seen professors expressing desire to write letters of recommendations for some of my extremely bright classmates?
I have done that a few times. I think it is a way of encouraging students to continue with their studies and letting them know they can go far. Students can also be shy and feel uncomfortable with the idea of soliciting a letter of recommendation, so it is a way to let them know that I will gladly do it should they need one.
 
DrClaude said:
I have done that a few times. I think it is a way of encouraging students to continue with their studies and letting them know they can go far. Students can also be shy and feel uncomfortable with the idea of soliciting a letter of recommendation, so it is a way to let them know that I will gladly do it should they need one.

Isn't writing recommendation letters a totally selfless act? All the professor gets is perhaps a thank-you note from the student.
 
And seldom that!
 
failexam said:
Isn't writing recommendation letters a totally selfless act? All the professor gets is perhaps a thank-you note from the student.
Yes, it is a way of giving back to the community what you once were offered by other professors. Professors have been students in need of recommendation letters too.
 
Is it true that recommendation letters of different professors are weighted differently in the eyes of the admissions committee?

Is a letter by a professor from a top-10 university in the world going to be valued in the same light as a letter by a professor from a top-500 university?
 
failexam said:
Is it true that recommendation letters of different professors are weighted differently in the eyes of the admissions committee?

Of course. How could it possibly be otherwise.

failexam said:
Is a letter by a professor from a top-10 university in the world going to be valued in the same light as a letter by a professor from a top-500 university?

Doesn't that depend on what the letter says?
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Doesn't that depend on what the letter says?

Oh! So, you mean that the value of a letter comes from what the letter say, i.e. recommendation letter is a dialogue between experienced academics, so only an academic of sufficiently high caliber will be able to write a letter of value?
 
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failexam said:
Oh! So, you mean that the value of a letter comes from what the letter say, i.e. recommendation letter is a dialogue between experienced academics, so only an academic of sufficiently high caliber will be able to write a letter of value?
Of course it depends on what the letter says. If it says "Do NOT hire!" your chances will be non-existing.
 
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failexam said:
Oh! So, you mean that the value of a letter comes from what the letter say, i.e. recommendation letter is a dialogue between experienced academics, so only an academic of sufficiently high caliber will be able to write a letter of value?

Did I say "it depends on what they letter says" or did I say "it depends on who writes it"?
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Did I say "it depends on what they letter says" or did I say "it depends on who writes it"?

You said 'it depends on what the letter says.'
 
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And there's your answer.
 
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Having recommendations from well known people helps because the recommender likely knows people on the admissions committee which gives them more insight into the letter. For example, you may have a recommender who gives praise sparingly, so if people know this professor and they write a good letter it gives it extra weight.
 
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failexam said:
Oh! So, you mean that the value of a letter comes from what the letter say, i.e. recommendation letter is a dialogue between experienced academics, so only an academic of sufficiently high caliber will be able to write a letter of value?

I don't know what Vanadium 50 meant, but when I write a letter for a student I try to include specifics- for example, a good letter will not just say "student X is in the top 10% of students", but include the justification for this ranking- "I had student X in 3 classes, student X worked in my lab for 2 semesters, I witnessed student X give scientific presentations to peers, ..." and I also like to enunciate specific qualities of student X that I think demonstrate fitness for grad school or a job- working independently (with examples), oral and written communication skills (with examples), etc. etc.
 
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