Y coordinate of the system's center of mass?

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The problem involves calculating the y coordinate of the center of mass for a system consisting of three uniform thin rods arranged in an inverted U shape. The vertical rods each have a mass of 12 g, while the horizontal rod has a mass of 31 g. The lengths of the rods are given as 28 cm.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the y coordinate by averaging the center of mass of the vertical and horizontal rods but encounters difficulties with their result.
  • Some participants suggest applying the center of mass formula in the y direction and provide a general approach involving the masses and lengths of the rods.
  • Others question the assumptions made regarding the masses and the calculations presented, seeking clarification on the treatment of the different masses of the rods.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and questioning the calculations and assumptions made. Some guidance has been offered regarding the application of the center of mass formula, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach to find the y coordinate.

Contextual Notes

Participants note discrepancies in the treatment of the masses of the rods, particularly the differing masses of the vertical and horizontal rods, which may affect the calculations. There is also mention of potential confusion regarding the application of the center of mass formula in this context.

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Homework Statement


In Fig. 9-39, three uniform thin rods, each of length L = 28 cm, form an inverted U. The vertical rods each have a mass of 12 g; the horizontal rod has a mass of 31 g. What are (a) the x coordinate and (b) the y coordinate of the system's center of mass? (Give your answer in cm)

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Homework Equations


xcom = (m1x1 + m2x2)/M


The Attempt at a Solution


I got the x coordinate alright at 14cm but I can't find the y coordinate. I took the center of mass between the two vertical rods with y1 = 14cm and its m1 = 24g as total of the vertical rods. I then compared that center of mass to the center of mass of the horizontal rod with y2 = 28cm and its m2 = 31g. I thus found y = 21.89, but this is apparently wrong, could somebody please tell me what it is that I'm doing wrong?
 
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Apply the same formula in the y direction.

2 vertical rods with com = L/2 and mass m = 2*(m*L/2) = mL

The horizontal rod at the top is m*L from the bottom, so the sum is 2m*L and with M = 3*m then

Com-y = 2*m*L/3*m = 2/3 L
 
What you said doesn't completely agree with the information, because the mass of the horizontal rod is different from the mass of the vertical rod. Also, where are you getting the mass of the rod with m = 2*(m*L/2)? Your explanation confuses me. I'm thinking that the mass is relative to the two masses so the m1 = 2(12g) and the y1 = L/2 which is 14cm. Is this wrong?
 
raptik said:
What you said doesn't completely agree with the information, because the mass of the horizontal rod is different from the mass of the vertical rod.
Sorry. Yes the horizontal rod has a different mass. I missed that. But the treatment is the same.
Also, where are you getting the mass of the rod with m = 2*(m*L/2)? Your explanation confuses me. I'm thinking that the mass is relative to the two masses so the m1 = 2(12g) and the y1 = L/2 which is 14cm. Is this wrong?

The vertical rods - 2 of them - each have the same mass and each have a Com at L/2 ... hence 2*(m(L/2))

So putting numbers to it then

m*L = .012*.28

And the horizontal rod is contributing a moment of .031*.28

Total then is (.012 + .031)*.28 /M = .033(.28)/.055 = 3/5(.28)
 

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