Yarn cross-section and path length

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on determining the ideal cross-section for woven yarns, particularly in the context of calculating path length, weight, and material requirements for various braiding applications. Participants explore different shapes for the cross-section of multifilament yarns and seek resources for further understanding.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant discusses the limitations of a circular monofilament cross-section and expresses uncertainty about the optimal shape for untwisted multifilament yarns, considering options like circular arcs, parabolic arches, and sinusoidal forms.
  • Another participant suggests that the shape may be governed by symmetry to equalize strain, but acknowledges the need for further exploration.
  • A third participant questions the theoretical approach, suggesting that practical resources from the textile industry may provide more applicable insights.
  • A brief mention of the path length for flat braids is introduced, though details are not elaborated upon.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the best approach to understanding yarn cross-sections, with some favoring theoretical exploration while others advocate for practical literature. No consensus is reached on the optimal shape or method of investigation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of determining the ideal cross-section and the potential need for offline research into historical textile literature, indicating that existing assumptions may not fully capture the practical realities of yarn properties.

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How much does yarn 'squish'?
I'm trying to find the "ideal" cross-section for woven yarns. As seen in the first image, a circular monofilament (assuming inviolable cross-section but infinite flexibility) will have a limit of 2d thickness, and repeat period of 2d√3.
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This allows me to calculate how long the yarn path length is, whether I want to know the weight or how much yarn to supply for a given amount of product.

However when the yarn is untwisted multifilament, the cross section will take a different shape. I'm having trouble determining exactly what is the optimum cross section.

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I do not know whether the shape will be governed by circular arcs, parabolic arches, sinusoidal form, or something else entirely. I am assuming that the football/ellipsoid will be symmetrical across a line drawn between corners because this will equalize strain, but what I can intelligently guess ends there.

I want to know not only because I want to be able to calculate the path length for the reasons mentioned above (materials required and weight), but also because I want to know the thickness and pore size. My application is on a tubular braider (16 carrier), and soon on a 24 carrier braider, and 17 and 33 carrier flat braiders as well.

Can someone please direct me to an article I can read that will explain this?
 
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Smells like 'spherical cows' for me... A practical approach might be more fruitful.

I would try to look for old books/literature from textile industry, about the properties of finished products and weaving methods/materials. I think it won't be too hard, just different: likely needs to be done offline (old style papers & libraries thing).
 
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The path length for a flat braid?
The golden braid.
 

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