Yarn cross-section and path length

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The discussion focuses on determining the optimal cross-section for woven yarns, specifically comparing circular monofilament and untwisted multifilament yarns. The user calculates path length based on a circular monofilament's properties, noting a limit of 2d thickness and a repeat period of 2d√3. They seek to understand how the cross-section changes with multifilament yarns and express uncertainty about the governing shapes, such as circular arcs or parabolic arches. The application involves using a tubular braider with varying carrier counts, emphasizing the need for accurate calculations of materials and weight.

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  • Understanding of yarn properties and cross-sectional shapes
  • Familiarity with braiding techniques and machinery, specifically tubular braiders
  • Knowledge of path length calculations in textile applications
  • Basic principles of material strain and symmetry in yarn design
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  • Research "Textile Engineering: Yarn Structure and Properties" for foundational knowledge
  • Explore "Finite Element Analysis in Textile Engineering" for advanced modeling techniques
  • Investigate "Braiding Technology for Textiles" to understand braider configurations
  • Look into historical textile literature for insights on traditional weaving methods
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This discussion is beneficial for textile engineers, yarn manufacturers, and anyone involved in the design and production of woven fabrics, particularly those working with braiding technologies.

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How much does yarn 'squish'?
I'm trying to find the "ideal" cross-section for woven yarns. As seen in the first image, a circular monofilament (assuming inviolable cross-section but infinite flexibility) will have a limit of 2d thickness, and repeat period of 2d√3.
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This allows me to calculate how long the yarn path length is, whether I want to know the weight or how much yarn to supply for a given amount of product.

However when the yarn is untwisted multifilament, the cross section will take a different shape. I'm having trouble determining exactly what is the optimum cross section.

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I do not know whether the shape will be governed by circular arcs, parabolic arches, sinusoidal form, or something else entirely. I am assuming that the football/ellipsoid will be symmetrical across a line drawn between corners because this will equalize strain, but what I can intelligently guess ends there.

I want to know not only because I want to be able to calculate the path length for the reasons mentioned above (materials required and weight), but also because I want to know the thickness and pore size. My application is on a tubular braider (16 carrier), and soon on a 24 carrier braider, and 17 and 33 carrier flat braiders as well.

Can someone please direct me to an article I can read that will explain this?
 
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Smells like 'spherical cows' for me... A practical approach might be more fruitful.

I would try to look for old books/literature from textile industry, about the properties of finished products and weaving methods/materials. I think it won't be too hard, just different: likely needs to be done offline (old style papers & libraries thing).
 
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The path length for a flat braid?
The golden braid.
 

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