Yes, substituting 0 would also show that the limit is undefined.

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the limit of the expression lim χ→0 [((χ+1)^1/3) -1] / χ. Participants are exploring the implications of substituting values and the relevance of a provided hint related to polynomial identities.

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  • Participants discuss the validity of the hint provided and its applicability to the problem. Some express confusion about how to relate the hint to the limit evaluation, while others suggest alternative methods, including the use of L'Hôpital's rule and polynomial identities.

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There is an ongoing exploration of different approaches to the limit problem. Some participants have attempted to derive a solution using L'Hôpital's rule, while others are considering algebraic manipulation based on the hint. No consensus has been reached, but several productive directions have been suggested.

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Participants are questioning the correctness of the hint and its relevance to the limit evaluation. There is also mention of the function being undefined at certain points, which influences their reasoning.

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1. Evaluate
2. lim χ→0 [((χ+1)^1/3) -1] / χ
3. The hint is [a^2 + b^2 = (a+b)(a^2 + ab + b^2)].
But i don't get it how can that help me solve this because it is a cube root and not to the power of 3.


Without thinking about the hint, I have attempted it and i think it is undefined for the function.
Say f(x) is the function, so f(0) is undefined making the limit as x approaches 0 undefined as well.
is it correct??
 
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baki said:
1. Evaluate



2. lim χ→0 [((χ+1)^1/3) -1] / χ



3. The hint is [a^2 + b^2 = (a+b)(a^2 + ab + b^2)].
But i don't get it how can that help me solve this because it is a cube root and not to the power of 3.


Without thinking about the hint, I have attempted it and i think it is undefined for the function.
Say f(x) is the function, so f(0) is undefined making the limit as x approaches 0 undefined as well.
is it correct??

The hint is incorrect: a^2 + b^2 has 'a' and 'b' to the second power, while the right-hand-side has them to the third power. A correct hint would be a^3 - b^3 = (a-b)(a^2 + ab + b^2).

Think of setting y = (x+1)^(1/3), so the numerator of your expression is y-1. Can you see how to relate y-1 to y^3 - 1? Can you see how to write the denominator (x) in terms of y? Can you see what happens to y when x --> 0?

RGV
 
Ray Vickson said:
Think of setting y = (x+1)^(1/3), so the numerator of your expression is y-1. Can you see how to relate y-1 to y^3 - 1? Can you see how to write the denominator (x) in terms of y? Can you see what happens to y when x --> 0?

That's one possibility and it works fine.
But I prefer to multiply numerator and denominator with a^2+ab+b^2 for suitable a and b. What do you get if you use the (correct version of the) hint?
 
sorry I was wrong, the hint is: a^3 - b^3 = (a-b)(a^2 + ab + b^2)

Ok, I did l'hospital's rule to derive the formula, until I am able to get a value from substituting zero in place of x. My answer came to 1/3. But still the hint had nothing to do with it.

Are you saying for me to do the opposite operation??
 
baki said:
sorry I was wrong, the hint is: a^3 - b^3 = (a-b)(a^2 + ab + b^2)

Ok, I did l'hospital's rule to derive the formula, until I am able to get a value from substituting zero in place of x. My answer came to 1/3. But still the hint had nothing to do with it.

Are you saying for me to do the opposite operation??
Here is how the hint might be used:

The numerator \sqrt[3]{x+1}-1. If you could get an equivalent expression with a numerator of \displaystyle \left(\sqrt[3]{x+1}\right)^3-1^3\,, that would allow major simplification including cancelling a factor that goes to zero in the numerator & denominator.

Use the hint to find out what you need to multiply \sqrt[3]{x+1}-1 by in order to get \displaystyle \left(\sqrt[3]{x+1}\right)^3-1^3\ .

By the way, welcome to PF!
 
so then I would have to multiply it with (\sqrt[3]{x+1})^2 + \sqrt[3]{x+1} +1
and then do the same with the numerator??
is it??

and afterwards derive it?
 
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baki said:
so then I would have to multiply it with (\sqrt[3]{x+1})^2 + \sqrt[3]{x+1} +1
and then do the same with the numerator??
is it??

and afterwards derive it?
No, you should not need to use L'Hôpital's rule.

Just multiply the numerator & denominator by \displaystyle \left(\sqrt[3]{x+1\ }\right)^2+\sqrt[3]{x+1\ }+1\ . Then simplify.
 
oh YES

solved!

other than simplifying we can just substitute 0, right?
 

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