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News Yet another mass shooting - Umpqua Community College, Oregon

  1. Oct 1, 2015 #1

    Astronuc

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    At least 10 dead in shooting at Umpqua Community College in Oregon
    http://news.yahoo.com/shooting-umpqua-community-college-oregon-182211198.html

    Excellent address by Obama on the matter of gun violence, and a challenge to the media and federal and state governments.


    http://news.yahoo.com/many-dead-20-wounded-shooting-184014927.html#

    The numbers of victims seem to vary, but apparently at least 10 killed (including shooter).


    According to CNN - the shooter had "body armor with him and was heavily armed, with a large amount of ammunition -- enough for a prolonged gunfight."

    He was not identified by local authorities, but CBS, CNN and NBC named him, so avoid those media sites if you don't want to know the guys name.
     
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  3. Oct 2, 2015 #2

    Borg

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    Another sad shooting by someone who should not be remembered.
     
  4. Oct 2, 2015 #3

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    'Hero' Umpqua Community College Student Chris Mintz Speaks After Being Shot 7 Times
    https://gma.yahoo.com/hero-umpqua-community-college-student-chris-mintz-speaks-154937626--abc-news-topstories.html [Broken]


    The gunman apparently opened fire on fellow students in his community college English class, killing nine people, was an Army boot camp dropout who studied mass shooters before becoming one himself!
    http://news.yahoo.com/terrible-day-9-killed-gunman-oregon-town-063530204.html [Broken]

    http://news.yahoo.com/oregon-gunman-may-killed-more-not-hero-student-023653508.html

    Really ?!
     
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  5. Oct 3, 2015 #4
    And we worry about terrorists. to quote Pogo " We have met the enemy and he is us."

    Can anybody explain the rationale for not having at least a background check on all gun purchasers?
     
  6. Oct 3, 2015 #5

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    How dare you "unseal" juvenile records.
     
  7. Oct 3, 2015 #6

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    http://shootingtracker.com/wiki/Mass_Shootings_in_2015 [Broken]

    According to that site, the criterion is four or more people injured or killed. There are links to news reports for (I hope) each of the incidents; I checked only a few.
     
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  8. Oct 3, 2015 #7

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    The question that needs to be addressed is "How does society keep guns out of the hands of those who have some mental illness or some inclination to cause harm to others?" Doing it after the fact doesn't help the victims of homicide.
     
  9. Oct 3, 2015 #8

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    Oregon is one of the seven states that requires background checks for all gun purchases of guns. Smuggling from state to state is crime issue, and isn't tied to these mass shootings by the deranged.

    I think improvement lies in addressing the mental health laws.
     
  10. Oct 4, 2015 #9

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    From what I've read the shooter had something like 14 guns all of which were purchased legally with a background check from an establishment with a Federal Firearms License.

    If someone is going to commit mass murder as their first offense there is almost no preventative measure you can take that wouldn't affect everyone else.
     
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  11. Oct 4, 2015 #10

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    Can somebody give me an example of a mental health law that would prevent any of this? Are we going to put depressives in jail? Start screening for SSRI use in the background check? I can't imagine any mental health solution being less draconian than simple gun control.
     
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  12. Oct 4, 2015 #11

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    I think the objective is to keep guns out of the hands of mentally ill individuals, however, I would imagine that such an approach would run smack into HIPAA.

    I'm not sure how mental health could be included in a background check. Disclosing one's mental health issues would have to be voluntary, but I would suspect someone with a disposition to do harm to others would probably not disclose such a disposition.
     
  13. Oct 4, 2015 #12

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    It is already in place for those who have been involuntarily committed. However, I would argue that this is simultaneously too loose and too tight. If someone were committed because of a suicide attempt in their teens, and after treatment hasn't had an episode in decades, we as a society say "No, you can't be a security guard, because that's too risky." On the other hand, if their very first episode involves paranoid delusions, maybe mixed with alcohol or drugs, he is not stopped from purchasing a gun or guns.

    Estimates are that a few percent - 3-5% - of violent crimes are committed by the mentally ill. Other estimates are that 18% of the population has had some mental illness episode within the last year. (One could conclude from that that only the mentally ill should be allowed firearms. ) I have a problem with restricting the rights of law-abiding but mentally ill people to make a tiny increase in overall safety, particularly as a first step. One might start by restricting gun purchases to men, since they commit 5/6 of the homicides but make up 1/2 the population.

    It's also worth pointing out that the definition of "mentally ill" has changed over time. A few decades ago, homosexuality was a mental illness and Asperger's was not. Today it's the other way around. Do you really want fundamental rights depending on something so fluid?
     
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    Jail? The idea is to prohibit gun ownership by the mentally ill, not throw them in jail. Hardly draconian.
     
  16. Oct 6, 2015 #15

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    HIPAA can be modified by Congress; not so the 2nd Amendment.
     
  17. Oct 6, 2015 #16

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    Among the perpetrators of the highly publicized mass shootings the rate is far higher, and they are universally young males.

    Lanza (Sandy Hook)- “severe and deteriorating internalized mental health problems”
    Homes (Colorado movie theater) - “was seeing a psychiatrist specializing in schizophrenia”
    Rodger (Isla Vista, Ca) - "suffered from Asperger’s disorder and took psychotropic medications"
    Loughner (Arizona) - "underwent psychiatric examinations at a secure federal facility in Missouri for more than a year and was diagnosed with schizophrenia"

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4318286/#bib6
    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/11/jared-loughner-mass-shootings-mental-illness
     
  18. Oct 6, 2015 #17

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    Wait, why can't the 2nd amendment be modified by congress? Isn't that what an 'amendment' is?
     
  19. Oct 6, 2015 #18

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    I think the NRA would disagree with that. For years they were blocking bills to keep guns out of the hands of people convicted of domestic abuse.
     
  20. Oct 6, 2015 #19

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    Yes. It "only" requires a 2/3 majority vote by both the Senate and the House of Representatives, followed by approval by 3/4 of the state legislatures. Have at it. :rolleyes:
     
  21. Oct 6, 2015 #20

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    I don't think Congress would entertain amending an amendment in the "Bill of Rights". Changing the US Code would be feasible, assuming a viable law could be developed and enacted.

    Meanwhile, teachers can learn hand-to-hand combat with a stapler or other office supplies.

    http://ringoffireradio.com/2015/10/...fear-of-facing-slaughter-not-important-to-yo/

    Of course, Trump and others think arming teachers and students is a solution.

    So, we should expect fire fights in the class room?
     
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