You are given general sol'n - find differential equation

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The discussion revolves around finding a second-order homogeneous differential equation given a specific solution, y(x) = c1 + c2e-10x. Participants are exploring the relationship between the provided solution and the corresponding differential equation of the form ay'' + by' + cy = 0.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the derivatives of the given solution and express uncertainty about how to derive the differential equation from them. Some participants mention the characteristic equation and its relation to the roots derived from the solution.

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There is an ongoing exploration of how to connect the roots of the characteristic equation to the coefficients of the differential equation. Some participants have identified the roots and are attempting to formulate the characteristic equation, while others are questioning how to determine the coefficients a, b, and c from the solutions.

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Participants note the importance of recognizing that constants in the solution do not contribute to the derivatives, which is a point of confusion. There is also mention of imposed homework rules regarding the format of the differential equation.

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Homework Statement


You are given a solution - find the homogeneous, 2nd order differential equation ay'' + by' + cy = 0


Homework Equations


y(x) = c1 + c2e-10x


The Attempt at a Solution


I found the derivatives first.
y'(x) = c1 - 10c2e-10x
y''(x) = c1 + 100c2e-10x

But I have no idea where to go from there. The answer is y'' + 10y' = 0. Looking at that answer, yes I see why that is the answer, but what work did I have to show to get to that answer?

I'd appreciate any guidance, thanks!
 
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mbradar2 said:

Homework Statement


You are given a solution - find the homogeneous, 2nd order differential equation ay'' + by' + cy = 0


Homework Equations


y(x) = c1 + c2e-10x


The Attempt at a Solution


I found the derivatives first.
y'(x) = c1 - 10c2e-10x
y''(x) = c1 + 100c2e-10x
For starters, the derivative of any constant (e.g., c1) is 0.
mbradar2 said:
But I have no idea where to go from there. The answer is y'' + 10y' = 0. Looking at that answer, yes I see why that is the answer, but what work did I have to show to get to that answer?

I'd appreciate any guidance, thanks!
 


From the solution you are given, e0x (= 1) and e-10x are basic solutions. These have something to do with the characteristic equation.
 
Ah, duh! Right, constants ' = 0, so y'(x) = -10c2e-10x and y''(x) = 100c2e-10x.

So I understand that e0x (=1) and e-10x are solutions. But how do I involve the characteristic equation?
ar2 + br + c = 0

How do I find out the a, b, c? Are they those particular solutions? So a = e0x (=1) and b = e-10x and c = ... ? 0?
 
Okay, about the characteristic equation..
Since the book says we are supposed to guess y1 = er1x and y2 = er2x, that means my r1 = 0 and my r2 = -10.

Now.. where to go from there?
 
OK, good. These are the roots of the characteristic equation ar2 + br + c = 0. And a, b, and c are the coefficients of the diff. equation ay'' + by' + cy = 0. Can you continue from here?
 
If [itex]r_1[/itex] and [itex]r_2[/itex] are roots of a quadratic equation, then the equation is of the form [itex]a(x- r_1)(x- r_2)= 0[/itex] for some number a.
 
Ah, so if r1 = and r2 = -1 are the roots of ar2 + br + c = 0, then I have (r + 0)(r + 10) = 0 so my characteristic equation is r2 + 10r = 0, so (1) and (10) are my a and b constants, so putting it in ay'' + by' + cy = 0 gives me the differential equation (1)y'' + 10(y') = 0.

I'm usually good at math but this chapter has, for some reason, been just difficult for me to 'click' with whatever I'm supposed to be understanding. Thanks for all of your help Mark, I really appreciate it!
 

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