Youngs Modulus. Copper wire experiment

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The forum discussion centers on calculating Young's Modulus for a copper wire using experimental data. The calculated Young's Modulus was found to be 1.77 x 1010 Pa (17.7 GPa), which is significantly higher than the expected range of 110 to 130 GPa for copper. The participants identified potential errors in measurement and methodology, including the choice of data points for gradient calculation and the need for proper unit conversions. Suggestions for improvement included conducting an error propagation analysis and ensuring all measurements adhere to metric standards.

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Homework Statement


Calculate Youngs Modulus for the copper wire

We have done the experiment today, here is the data:

(KG)/F(N)/x(M)

0.1/0.1g/0.0
0.2/0.2g/0.0
0.3/0.3g/0.001
0.4/0.4g/0.001
0.5/0.5g/0.002
0.6/0.6g/0.003
0.7/0.7g/0.004
0.8/0.8g/0.005
0.9/0.9g/0.006
1.0/1.0g/0.009
1.1/1.1g/0.029
1.2/1.2g/0.053
1.3/1.3g/0.089
1.4/1.4g/0.160

Diameter = 0.27mm = 2.7x10-4Natural Length = 1m

Homework Equations

E = FL/AX

gradient = F/X

E = gradient x L/A

The Attempt at a Solution



Radius = 1.4x10-4

A = (pi)(1.4x10-4)2

So i take the elastic region to be up to the 1kg load. The gradient of the line is (1g/0.009) = 1090.

The beginning length of the copper wire was 1mE = 1090 x 1 / AA = (pi)(1.4x10^-4)^2 E = 1090/(pi)(1.4x10^-4)^2E = 1.77x10^10 Pa = 17.7 GPa

According to the internet the young modulus is about 10 times larger than this. Have i gone wrong somewhere?
 
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Here is an online lecture that performs that very experiment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrRP-oGPjvk
 
Ah, brilliant.
 
I would have chosen another point further back because you might notice that the 1 kg point is already into the elastic region as the slope of the curve has changed.
 
Yeah I have drawn a graph and can see this, also. Still strange to be out by a factor of 10, though.
 
It's not that bad.

Using the .8/.005 point I get F/A as 1.371*108

divide by .005 and that yields 27.4 GPa

Copper looks like 110 to 130.

Do an error propagation analysis of the measurements. You're only a factor of 3 to 4 off. And a small measurement uncertainty in A or in ΔL can be pretty substantial.
 
you need to convert your mass to (N) Newtons
 
oh n your lengths should be in meters (m) too stick with the metric measurements
 

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