Youngs Modulus. Copper wire experiment

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The discussion revolves around calculating Young's Modulus for a copper wire based on experimental data collected during a lab. Participants are examining the relationship between force applied and the resulting extension of the wire, with specific attention to the methodology and assumptions made during the calculation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate Young's Modulus using the gradient of the force versus extension graph, but questions arise regarding the accuracy of their result compared to known values. Other participants suggest alternative points for analysis and discuss the implications of measurement uncertainties.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering insights into potential errors and suggesting further analysis, such as error propagation. There is a recognition of discrepancies in the calculated values, but no consensus has been reached on the exact cause of the differences.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the importance of using consistent units and converting mass to Newtons, as well as ensuring that lengths are measured in meters. There is an ongoing discussion about the elastic region of the wire and the selection of data points for analysis.

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Homework Statement


Calculate Youngs Modulus for the copper wire

We have done the experiment today, here is the data:

(KG)/F(N)/x(M)

0.1/0.1g/0.0
0.2/0.2g/0.0
0.3/0.3g/0.001
0.4/0.4g/0.001
0.5/0.5g/0.002
0.6/0.6g/0.003
0.7/0.7g/0.004
0.8/0.8g/0.005
0.9/0.9g/0.006
1.0/1.0g/0.009
1.1/1.1g/0.029
1.2/1.2g/0.053
1.3/1.3g/0.089
1.4/1.4g/0.160

Diameter = 0.27mm = 2.7x10-4Natural Length = 1m

Homework Equations

E = FL/AX

gradient = F/X

E = gradient x L/A

The Attempt at a Solution



Radius = 1.4x10-4

A = (pi)(1.4x10-4)2

So i take the elastic region to be up to the 1kg load. The gradient of the line is (1g/0.009) = 1090.

The beginning length of the copper wire was 1mE = 1090 x 1 / AA = (pi)(1.4x10^-4)^2 E = 1090/(pi)(1.4x10^-4)^2E = 1.77x10^10 Pa = 17.7 GPa

According to the internet the young modulus is about 10 times larger than this. Have i gone wrong somewhere?
 
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Here is an online lecture that performs that very experiment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrRP-oGPjvk
 
Ah, brilliant.
 
I would have chosen another point further back because you might notice that the 1 kg point is already into the elastic region as the slope of the curve has changed.
 
Yeah I have drawn a graph and can see this, also. Still strange to be out by a factor of 10, though.
 
It's not that bad.

Using the .8/.005 point I get F/A as 1.371*108

divide by .005 and that yields 27.4 GPa

Copper looks like 110 to 130.

Do an error propagation analysis of the measurements. You're only a factor of 3 to 4 off. And a small measurement uncertainty in A or in ΔL can be pretty substantial.
 
you need to convert your mass to (N) Newtons
 
oh n your lengths should be in meters (m) too stick with the metric measurements
 

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