Your Experience: Is knowledge mainly a function of time?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between knowledge acquisition and the time spent immersed in study, particularly in the context of learning physics and programming. Participants explore whether knowledge is primarily a function of time and immersion, and what other factors may influence learning effectiveness.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that spending time searching for specific answers in manuals leads to greater knowledge acquisition due to increased immersion.
  • Another participant argues that the effectiveness of learning depends on the level of focus during study, indicating that problem-solving may enhance focus compared to passive reading.
  • A different viewpoint asserts that physics cannot be learned passively and requires active engagement, contrasting it with learning history through passive reading.
  • Some participants agree that actively solving problems is crucial for learning physics, emphasizing that focused engagement leads to better understanding.
  • Concerns are raised about the rushed nature of problem sets, which may prevent deep thinking about the underlying concepts.
  • A mathematical expression is presented, suggesting a relationship between knowledge and effort over time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of passive versus active learning in physics, with some agreeing on the necessity of engagement while others highlight the importance of time spent in immersion. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the extent to which time alone contributes to knowledge acquisition.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the effectiveness of learning may depend on individual focus and the nature of the material being studied, indicating that assumptions about learning processes may vary.

DukeofDuke
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Hi PF,

I am an undergrad who recently started getting much more involved in his research (basically I am a HEP code monkey). Anyways, most of the technological aspects of the work were completely unknown to me, I started from scratch. And I found that, looking for the answer to one glitch, I'd spend many hours pouring through manuals and that process actually gave me a lot more knowledge of the general processes/program than when I'd tried to "learn" it earlier. I am guessing this is due to the higher time I was exposed to the manual searching for specific answers...

So I am wondering, is knowledge mainly a function of time, and immersion? Will I learn actual physics better also if I spend unfocused hours immersed in the text? Not looking to memorize the knowledge or really do anything with it, but just sit with it for longer amounts of time? Do we learn simply as a function of time spent in immersion or what other factors play a big role?

Thanks,
DoD
 
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DukeofDuke said:
what other factors play a big role?
I'd say that it depends on how focused you are when you do it. Most are more focused when they are solving problems than when they are just reading a text without any specific goal.
 
DukeofDuke said:
Will I learn actual physics better also if I spend unfocused hours immersed in the text?

No, physics cannot be learned passively like that, since its a subject where learning is not the same as remembering. Spending a lot of time with a history book passively may lead to some knowledge of history, but in physics you have be actively engaged in thinking things out, working problems etc.
 
dx said:
No, physics cannot be learned passively like that, since its a subject where learning is not the same as remembering. Spending a lot of time with a history book passively may lead to some knowledge of history, but in physics you have be actively engaged in thinking things out, working problems etc.

Agreed.

The situation you describe with programming, however, is very common. I guess it happens because when you want to find the answer to something, you have a higher level of focus than when you're just looking at manuals without relevance. This is the same situation that exists when solving problems in physics: the key message? answering problems and doing tutorial sheets is the way to learn. :-p
 
fasterthanjoao said:
Agreed.

The situation you describe with programming, however, is very common. I guess it happens because when you want to find the answer to something, you have a higher level of focus than when you're just looking at manuals without relevance. This is the same situation that exists when solving problems in physics: the key message? answering problems and doing tutorial sheets is the way to learn. :-p

The only thing with this is, generally problem sets get rushed. You scope the book for the answers, but don't have time to actually think about the equations...whereas in simpler coding there's not much to learn but convention. Problem sets, though, are a time bomb and no one gets to spend as much time thinking about the ideas as they thought they would.
 
[tex]knowledge=\int (effort) dt[/tex]
 

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