Your thoughts about the entropy of coal?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the entropy of coal, exploring whether it can be derived from its elemental composition and combustion properties. Participants consider the necessary data and reference states for calculating entropy in the context of thermodynamics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the entropy of coal might be calculated based on its elemental composition and heat values, questioning if any additional information is needed.
  • Another participant inquires about the reference state used for enthalpy calculations, specifically mentioning temperature and pressure.
  • A later reply confirms that the standard reference state is typically at 273.15 K and 1 atm, but also notes that heats of formation are often referenced at 298 K and 1 atm.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants have not reached a consensus on whether the available data is sufficient to calculate the entropy of coal, and there are differing views on the appropriate reference states for enthalpy and entropy calculations.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the completeness of the data needed for entropy calculations and the implications of using different reference states.

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In the industry, coal and other fuels are typically represented by

- their C, H, O, N, S elemental composition for the combustible part​
- the composition of the ashes (SiO2, Al2O3, Fe2O3, ...)​
- the Low Heat Value (LHV) which is the heat that can be extracted from combustion product​

With these data, the "enthalpy" of coal can be calculated easily from the heat balance during combustion.

But what about the entropy of coal?
Do you think the entropy could be obtained on the basis of the same data listed here above.
Or is something missing? And how to fill the missing information then?

Just curiosity.

Thanks for your ideas ...

Michel
 
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What reference state is used for the enthalpy of these substances (temperature, pressure)?
 
Usually T0=273.15 K , p0=1atm

Thanks for any suggestion

Michel
 
maajdl said:
Usually T0=273.15 K , p0=1atm

Thanks for any suggestion

Michel
Usually heats of formation are at 298 and 1 atm.
 

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