Finding the Zeros of a Polynomial: Viète's Formulas [SOLVED]

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The discussion focuses on finding the zeros of the polynomial P(x) = x^4 - 6x^3 + 18x^2 - 30x + 25 using Viète's formulas. It establishes that the sum of two roots is 4, leading to the conclusion that the sum of the other two roots is 2. Participants suggest substituting these sums into the Viète relations to derive equations for the products of the roots. Despite initial complications, the conversation emphasizes the importance of rearranging terms to simplify the equations. Ultimately, the goal is to solve for the roots through these derived relationships.
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[SOLVED] zeros of a polynomial

Homework Statement


Find the zeros of the polynomial

P(x) = x^4-6x^3+18x^2-30x+25

knowing that the sum of two of them is 4.

Homework Equations


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viète's_formulas

The Attempt at a Solution


Let x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4 be the complex roots and let x_1 +x_2 = 4. Here are the Viete relations in this case:

x_1+x_2+x_3+x_4 = 6

x_1 x_2 +x_1 x_3 +x_1 x_4 + x_2 x_3 + x_2 x_4 +x_3 x_4 = 18

x_1 x_2 x_3 + x_1 x_3 x_4 +x_2 x_3 x_4 +x_1 x_2 x_4= 30

x_1 x_2 x_3 x_4 = 25

The first one implies that x_3 +x_4 =2. And then the second one implies that x_1 x_2 + x_3 x_4 = 10 but that is as far as I can get.

Please just give a hint.
 
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ehrenfest said:
x_1 +x_2 = 4 … x_3 +x_4 =2.

Hint: so x_2 = 4 - x_1 and x_4 = 2 - x_3.

Go substitute! :smile:
 
Do you mean into

<br /> P(x) = x^4-6x^3+18x^2-30x+25<br />

?
 
No … I mean substitute into your Viete relations. :smile:
 
Sorry tiny-tim, I don't know see why that helps:

For the second Viete relation I get:

4x_1 - 2 x_3 - x_1^2-x_3 ^2+ x_1 x_3 = 10

For the third one I get

8x_1 + 8x_3 - 2 x_1 ^2 - 4 x_3^2 = 30

For the fourth one I get

8 x_1 x_3 + x_1 ^2 x_ 3^2 - 2x_1 ^2 x_3 - 4 x_1 x_3 ^2 = 25

Is there a simple way to solve these equations?
 
hmm … turned out more complicated than I thought. :frown:

Well … that's what happens in exams sometimes … you try something, and it doesn't work, so you try the next most obvious thing … :smile:

Now this will work:

in your
ehrenfest said:
x_1 x_2 +x_1 x_3 +x_1 x_4 + x_2 x_3 + x_2 x_4 +x_3 x_4 = 18

x_1 x_2 x_3 + x_1 x_3 x_4 +x_2 x_3 x_4 +x_1 x_2 x_4= 30

put (x_1 + x_2)s together, and (x_3 + x_4)s, and you should get two equations in x_1x_2 and x_3x_4, from which you get x_1x_2 = … and x_3x_4 = … ? :smile:
 
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