Zeta function justifying 1 not being prime?

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether the number 1 should be classified as a prime number, using the Zeta function and its properties as a focal point. Participants explore definitions of prime numbers, implications for mathematical expressions, and the historical context of these definitions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the Zeta function's Euler product formula would not fail if 1 were considered prime, but would simply be expressed differently, focusing on primes greater than 1.
  • Others argue that including 1 as a prime disrupts the standard definitions and properties of prime numbers, such as the unique factorization theorem.
  • A participant suggests that the definition of prime numbers as having exactly two distinct positive prime factors inherently excludes 1.
  • Some express that the convenience of excluding 1 from the set of primes is evident in the compactness of mathematical statements and results.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of changing definitions and how it affects mathematical expressions, particularly in relation to the Zeta function.
  • One participant mentions that the Dirichlet series relies on the unique decomposition of integers into primes, reinforcing the idea that 1 does not fit into this framework.
  • Another participant raises the point that if 1 were included as a prime, it would complicate the expression of the Euler product and other mathematical statements.
  • Some participants reflect on historical definitions of prime numbers, noting that the inclusion of 1 was more common in the past.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the classification of 1 as a prime number, with multiple competing views presented. There is no consensus on whether 1 should be included in the definition of prime numbers.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the limitations of definitions and the potential for ambiguity in mathematical expressions when altering the classification of prime numbers. The historical context of definitions is also noted, indicating that conventions may change over time.

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I was trying to explain to my family last night why 1 is not generally defined as a prime number and I thought of the Zeta Function. There is the standard way to write it,

(1)[tex]\zeta(s)=\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}n^{-s}[/tex]

but then there is also the Euler product formula:

(2)[tex]\prod_{p}\frac{1}{1-p^{-s}}[/tex]

Obtaining the product formula through the sieving method requires one to factor out (1-1/p) from the (1) equation, p being prime numbers starting at 2. If we include 1 as a prime number, this entire method would fail.

Do you think this is a good way of showing why analytically 1 should not be considered prime?

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The Euler product would not fail in any way, it would just be expressed differently and be the product over primes greater than 1. It's just a definition to exclude 1, changing this would have no effect on the underlying mathematics just how you express it.

It turns out to be more convenient to exclude 1 as it doesn't behave like the usual primes since it divides every other number (it's a unit). Any doubters should pick up a number theory text, change the definition of prime to include 1, then go through the book and modify all the statements to make sense and be valid. Compare which version is more compact.
 
Don't bother to explain why 1 is excluded. Make them make the case for it to be included. If it helps, remind them the definition of prime in the positive integers is (equivalent to ) the number has exactly two *distinct* positive prime factors. It is just a definition and this is the one we NOW prefer (old fashioned mathematics, say a couple of centuries ago would have had a different definition and allowed 1 as a prime).One of the key things about primes in the integers is that if p divides ab and p is a prime then it divides one of a and b, this is vacuous if p is allowed to be 1. It doesn't say anything about a or b at all. There are always degenerate cases, in algebra we tend to include the degenerate cases: as an example subset is allowed to include the empty set and the whole set, but have the label *proper* subset to exclude the degenerate case. As Shmoe said, a result itself does not become false because you redefine the labels, but the statement of the result is incorrect.

I think I will attempt to never again justify why 1 is excluded, but make people justify why they think it should be included. It is after all 'my' definition, and the definition of all those who matter (ie mathematicians), and we don't include 1, we have our reasons, if someone else doesn't like it, tough. If you want a set of elements that includes all the primes and 1 make a name for it; it won't be any use I imagine, since, should I ever need it I can simply state 'take the primes, union 1' and there we are.
 
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shmoe said:
The Euler product would not fail in any way, it would just be expressed differently and be the product over primes greater than 1. It's just a definition to exclude 1, changing this would have no effect on the underlying mathematics just how you express it.

Right. And by saying that it's the product over all primes greater than one suggests something about one being prime. I don't see a way to express the product that includes one. Do you know of way?

My main point was that by this sieving method all of the numbers factored out happen to be primes, and one isn't included by this method.
 
It wouldn't include one... why would it...? it doesn't... if you were to suddenly make one a prime then the statement that the zeta function is a product over all primes is false, because you've changed the meaning of one of the terms! That the zeta function is still a product over 2,3,5,7,.. is still true. it's just that you're no longer calling this the complete set of primes. 1 isn't a prime, shmoe only said what he did to show you how the result is still true with the corrected statement IF YOU (yes, YOU, no one else) alters the definition of prime to include 1. 1 is not considered a prime, end of story.
 
Oh, and the dirichlet series holds because each integer n in the sum has a unique decomposition into primes (1 is not a prime) that is why the numbers 2,3,5,7,11,.. appear in the product, it really is nothing inexplicable.
 
matt grime said:
1 isn't a prime, shmoe only said what he did to show you how the result is still true with the corrected statement IF YOU (yes, YOU, no one else) alters the definition of prime to include 1. 1 is not considered a prime, end of story.

I'm on your side. :-p I'm just trying to show that perhaps analytic functions demonstrate that 1 doesn't have a place in the set of primes.
 
right, cos that's the only statement in mathematics that's made easier because we exclude 1 from being a prime (and is a direct consequence of the fundamental theorem of arithmetic anyway)
 
Jameson said:
Right. And by saying that it's the product over all primes greater than one suggests something about one being prime.

The "greater than one" bit is only needed if you allowed 1 to be a prime. If you really wanted, you could include 4 in your definition of prime, and pi (and...) The Euler product would then awkwardly be "over primes not equal to 1, 4 or pi".

Jameson said:
I don't see a way to express the product that includes one. Do you know of way?

As matt says, 'take the primes, union 1'. That's it.

What makes a definition "correct"? Nothing really. Even 100 years or so ago some took "prime" to include 1, most notably the tables of Lehmer. A big consideration is how 'natural' the statement of important results becomes under the definition. You can take this 'naturalness' as a measure of which definition better captures a like group of objects. If you include 1 as a prime, many statements about 'primes' will be excluding 1 (do my suggested textbook exercise), but I can't think of an important case of wanting "primes unions 1".

You should compare this with the convention that's sometimes adopted that x^0=1 regardless of what the symbol x represents. You can then write power series as [itex]\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}a_n x^n[/itex] instead of the more cumbersome [itex]a_0+\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}a_n x^n[/itex]. There's no mathematical significance here when you define the symbol x^0 to mean "1", but it makes notation simpler.
 
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