Finding the Formula for Basic Sequences for Scientists

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The discussion revolves around finding the formula for triangular numbers and methods for deriving formulas for basic sequences. Participants explore various approaches, including difference tables and historical anecdotes related to summation techniques.

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Main Points Raised

  • Karla presents the sequence of triangular numbers and seeks assistance in deriving the formula for the nth term, expressing confusion about the implications of the second difference being 1.
  • A participant explains Newton's divided difference formula and how it applies to the triangular numbers, detailing the calculation steps leading to the formula n(n+1)/2.
  • Another participant shares a historical anecdote about Gauss's method for summing the first n numbers, illustrating a creative approach to understanding triangular numbers.
  • Jim introduces a method involving repeated differences to derive a formula for sequences, demonstrating his approach with the triangular numbers and providing a PDF for further explanation.
  • A later reply acknowledges the reference to Newton's divided difference formula, indicating that it has been discussed in previous threads.

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Participants present various methods and perspectives on deriving formulas for sequences, but there is no explicit consensus on a single approach or resolution of the initial confusion expressed by Karla.

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Some methods rely on specific assumptions about the nature of sequences, and the discussion includes various mathematical steps that may not be fully resolved or universally accepted.

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Hi all,

Im doing some work with the triangular numbers, pretty basic stuff:

1 3 6 10 15

Now I am trying to understand how to get the formula for calculating the nth term +1, the formula is:

n(n+1)/2

I have tried doing a difference table, only to find that the second difference is 1, which lead me to think the formula must start with 2N but this is incorrect. Please can someone show me the easiest method for working out basic sequence formulas.

Thanks,
Karla
 
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Karla said:
Hi all,

Im doing some work with the triangular numbers, pretty basic stuff:

1 3 6 10 15

Now I am trying to understand how to get the formula for calculating the nth term +1, the formula is:

n(n+1)/2

I have tried doing a difference table, only to find that the second difference is 1, which lead me to think the formula must start with 2N but this is incorrect. Please can someone show me the easiest method for working out basic sequence formulas.

Thanks,
Karla

It's not clear to me why the fact that the second difference is 1 would lead you to think that the formula must start with 2N!
Newton's divided difference formula says that if f(1)= a0, the first difference (at 1) is a1, second difference a2, third difference a3, etc. Then
f(n)= a_0+ a_1(n-1)+ \frac{a_2}{2}(n-1)(n-2)+ \frac{a_3}{3!}(n-1)(n-2)(n-3)+ ....

If the second difference is a constant then all succeeding differences are 0 and the formula gives a polynomial. In particular, for the sequence of triangular numbers, the first differences are just the sequence of counting numbers and the second difference is 1 for all n. At n= 1, the value is 1, the first difference is 2 and the second difference is 1 with all succeeding differences 0. Newton's divided difference formula gives
1+ 2(n-1)+ \frac{1}{2}(n-1)(n-2)
= 1+ 2n- 2+ \frac{1}{2}(n^2- 3n+ 2)
= 2n+ \frac{1}{2}n^2- \frac{3}{2}n
= \frac{1}{2}n^2+ \frac{1}{2}n
= \frac{n(n+1)}{2}
 
There is a great way to work out that formula for the first n numbers. This method was supposedly used by Gauss when he was 10. His teacher, wanting to leave the classroom for a time, told the students to add up the first 100 numbers and get the total. (This is the 100th triangle number.) But, before the teacher could get out of the room, Gauss presented the answer!

His method: Consider the series 1,2,3,...100. Now reverse this on the next line: 100,99,98...1. and add the two series together term by term. The result is 101 written 100 times, and the correct answer is 1/2 of that! which is 50x101 = 5050. http://www.cut-the-knot.org/Curriculum/Algebra/GaussSummation.shtml
 
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Here is what I found to be a nice way of finding an equation for a sequence assuming it is a sequence and not just a random set of numbers. I had it as a power point but had to save it as a PDF file to attach it. Let me know if it helps.
Jim

PS: For your example...1 3 6 10 15
3-1=2 2 3 4 5
6-3=3 1 1 1
10-6=4
15-10=5
3-2=1
4-3=1
5-4=1
The '1' repeats at the second row so we start with T=1/(2!) n^2
And 1/2 n^2 has a sequence of 1/2 2 9/2 8.
We take our sequence and subtract these to get a remainder sequence and then repeat the first part again.
1/2 1 3/1 2
1/2 1/2 1/2
This one started repeating in the first row so we add that to the first part we found and get
T=1/2 n^2 + 1/2 n and have no remainder this time so we are done.

I explained these steps a lot more thorough in the PDF file.
 

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Yes, that is precisely the "Newton's divided difference formula" that both I and Robert Ihnot referred to five years ago!
 

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