Why Doesn't the Sequence 2,0,2,0,2,0 Converge?

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of the sequence 2, 0, 2, 0, 2, 0. Participants explore the definitions and theorems related to convergence, express their intuitions, and discuss the necessity of formal proofs in academic settings.

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  • One participant expresses discomfort with the phrase "this sequence clearly doesn’t converge," suggesting a preference for referencing formal theorems.
  • Another participant argues that the sequence's non-convergence follows directly from the definition of convergence, emphasizing the requirement for terms to be arbitrarily close to a limit.
  • Some participants share their intuitive understanding that the sequence does not converge, but acknowledge the need to apply formal theorems in an academic context.
  • A suggestion is made to use an indirect proof involving the triangle inequality to demonstrate that both 2 and 0 cannot be within a certain distance of the same limit.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity of formal theorems versus intuitive understanding in proving convergence. There is no consensus on a single approach to proving the sequence's non-convergence.

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Participants reference the definition of convergence and the triangle inequality, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the application of these concepts to the specific sequence in question.

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Hi everyone,
I'm doing a course which contains foundation work on convergence.
I was suprised to see the book I am using uses phrases such as...
" This sequence clearly doesn`t converge "
for sequences such as 2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0...
I was expecting it to say something like " By theorem 4.5, this sequence doesn`t converge "
I wouldn`t feel comfortable writing " This sequence clearly doesn`t converge " if, in an exam, I got a question which said " Prove that 2,0,2,0,2,0 doesn`t converge ".
Can anyone point me to basic theorems on convergence which are used to tackle simple questions like this?
 
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I don't (like your book) see any reason to appeal to a "theorem".
When your text says "clearly" what it means is that it follows directly from the definition.

A sequence of numbers {an} converges to a limit, L, if, by going far enough on the sequence all the numbers past that point are arbitrarily close to L. Formally: for any [epsilon]>0, there exist an integer N such that if n> N, |an-L|< [epsilon].
("n> N" is "far enough on the sequence", "|an-L|" measures the distance from an to L and "< [epsilon]" is the "arbitrarily close" part.)

Take [epsilon]= 1/2. Two consecutive terms are 2 and 0 and they can't both be with distance 1/2 of anything.
 
Well, if I wanted to decide if 2,0,2,0,2 converged then I wouldn`t need to study a bunch of theorems to convince myself it didn`t, because it is clear to my intuition that it doesn`t. But I can`t just write that in an exam. Since I started this maths degree, there's been loads of questions I've been confronted with where the answers are so blatently obvious that I feel like writing " Because it just bloody is! OK? ", but you can`t write that. You've got to apply the fundamental theorems.

Have you attempted a direct proof in what you've written?
Looks OK, part from the last line.
If there's no theorem to fall back on, then I spose I'd have to construct one myself, maybe with induction method.

I like the way you write "theorem", like you think it's a word I've made up.
 
Have you attempted a direct proof in what you've written?

Do an indirect proof.

Suppose both 2 and 0 are within distance 1/2 of L.
IOW |2 - L| < 1/2 and |L - 0| < 1/2
Now apply the triangle inequality:
2 = |2 - 0| = |2 - L + L - 0| < |2 - L| + |L - 0| < 1/2 + 1/2 = 1
So 2 < 1
So the supposition was false, and both 2 and 0 cannot be within distance 1/2 from the same number.

(the triangle inequality is one of your best friends when working with &epsilon;-&delta; proofs)
 
Thanks hurkyl
 

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