Supporting 1100kg Steel Beam w/ 6200N Ropes

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A 1100 kg steel beam is supported by two ropes, each with a maximum tension of 6200 N, positioned at angles of 20 degrees and 30 degrees from the vertical. The discussion revolves around the calculations for the forces in both the x and y directions, using equilibrium equations. The initial calculations led to incorrect values for the tensions in the ropes due to a mistake in applying the cosine function. After identifying the error, the correct approach yielded valid results for the tensions in the ropes. The importance of accurately applying trigonometric functions in force calculations is emphasized.
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Homework Statement


A 1100 kg steel beam is supported by two ropes. Each rope has a maximum sustained tension of 6200 N.

Then it shows a diagram of two ropes holding a steal beam at the center, both are angled out. The rope on the left is angled away at 20 deg from y axis. The rope on the right is angled 30 deg from y axis.


Homework Equations


Fnet = ma


The Attempt at a Solution


So basically I used substitution...
R1 = rope 1 (left)
R2 = rope 2 (right)
E = summation
F = Force

E(Fx) = MAx = 0

R2*sin(30) - R1*sin(20) = 0
R2*sin(30) = R1*sin(20)
R2 = R1*[sin(20)/sin(30)]

Plug that into sum of forces in y direction...

E(Fy) = MAy = 0

R1*cos(20) + R2*cos(30) - Mg = 0
R1*cos(20) + R2*cos(30) = Mg = 10791 N
plug in R2...
R1*[cos(20) + sin(20)/sin(30)] = 10791
R1 = 6645.96 N

Now I did it like this.. plugged that back into the original and got 4546.11 N for R2. However it was wrong. So I thought okay since the max tension is supposedly 6200 I'll use that as R1 and got 4241.05 for R2. Wrong again. Any ideas?
 
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spin360 said:
R1*cos(20) + R2*cos(30) - Mg = 0
R1*cos(20) + R2*cos(30) = Mg = 10791 N
plug in R2...
R1*[cos(20) + sin(20)/sin(30)] = 10791
R1 = 6645.96 N
Redo your plugging in of R2; looks like you dropped the cos(30).
 
Doc Al said:
Redo your plugging in of R2; looks like you dropped the cos(30).

Not sure where you're getting the cos... both are sine since the x vector is opposite of the angle.. making it sine. Right?
 
The cosine you dropped is the one right here:
spin360 said:
R1*cos(20) + R2*cos(30) - Mg = 0
R1*cos(20) + R2*cos(30) = Mg = 10791 N
 
oh wow what a stupid mistake, thanks! it works now
 
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