Is the Baltic Sea's Mysterious Object a Sunken UFO?

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A group of treasure hunters in the Baltic Sea has discovered a large, disc-shaped object resembling the Millennium Falcon, measuring 197 feet in diameter and located about 275 feet underwater. The object is accompanied by a 1,600-foot track on the sea floor, sparking speculation about its origin, including theories of it being a natural formation or a sunken man-made structure. Some participants in the discussion express skepticism about the object being an alien spacecraft, suggesting it could be related to drilling platforms or geological formations. Concerns about the treasure hunters' motives arise, with suggestions of potential commercial exploitation linked to reality TV. The ongoing investigation promises to reveal more about this intriguing underwater discovery.
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Perhaps a USO - Unidentified Sunken Object. It will be interesting to find out what it is.

A group of treasure hunters based in Stockholm, using sonar, has found a strange disc-shaped object on the floor of the Baltic Sea between Sweden and Finland. From above, it looks a bit like the Millennium Falcon of "Star Wars" fame. It's large -- 197 feet in diameter -- and it's in about 275 feet of water. Leading to (or from) it is a churned-up track on the sea floor of about 1,600 feet.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/sh...on-disc-shaped/story?id=15471558#.Tyf-iCOkl4s
 
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Aliens!
 
That's obviously Pac Man!

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micromass said:
http://laurendate.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/giorgio_blur.jpg

What's the deal with this guy? I see him as a meme all over the internet.
 
Greg Bernhardt said:
What's the deal with this guy? I see him as a meme all over the internet.
He stars on a History Channel woo-woo show about ancient aliens. Humans couldn't have built the pyramids, humans couldn't have erected the stones at Stonehenge, etc, etc. I'm not saying that it was aliens, but it was Aliens!
 
What would the diameter of a submarine (pick a big one) be if you took a cross section through it? Or the stern of an old ship? It could be something up-ended. Might even be cooler if it's something natural.
 
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Moonbear said:
What would the diameter of a submarine (pick a big one) be if you took a cross section through it?

Not even close. Typhoon class sub has a beam of 75ft. Between 2 and 3 times too small.

Moonbear said:
Or the stern of an old ship? It could be something up-ended. Might even be cooler if it's something natural.
I was thinkin' a bulkhead. But round? 200 feet?

A Nimitz class nuclear carrier is only 134 ft beam at the waterline.

This thing is huge.

My thought was a piece of continental shelf that broke off and slid downslope. Except there's no continental shelf in the Baltic Sea.
 
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Hey.

You know what is that big and is found in the Baltic Sea?

Offshore Drilling Platforms.
Here's one, randomly picked, that's 200ft in diameter...

I know. I'm a fun-wrecker.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
Hey.

You know what is that big and is found in the Baltic Sea?

Offshore Drilling Platforms.
Here's one, randomly picked, that's 200ft in diameter...

I know. I'm a fun-wrecker.

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although, I myself just couldn't see that can turn out to be anything exciting
 
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DaveC426913 said:
Hey.

You know what is that big and is found in the Baltic Sea?

Offshore Drilling Platforms.
Here's one, randomly picked, that's 200ft in diameter...

I know. I'm a fun-wrecker.
They do have one oil rig on the Russian side. I checked and there is no record of an oil rig disaster. I guess the platform could have sunk while being transported from Sweden? Would they transport just the platform disk by towing? The object is between Sweden and Finland.
 
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AlephZero said:
I wonder if it's something as boring as the top of a volcanic plug. I don't know about the Baltic but there are plenty of them around Scotland - any size you like, from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockall up to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ailsa_Craig
It does look like a rock formation. I would bet that the "churned-up track" is just sediment being washed around it by the current.
 
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Borg said:
It does look like a rock formation. I would bet that the "churned-up track" is just sediment being washed around it by the current.

Maybe but it would have to be an awfully strong current down there at 275ft to make such a clear track. As a diver, I know that without constant work, any non-rigid formations very quickly get smoothed out and disappear.
 
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Is the "track" really churned up, or just a different density or depth?
 
  • #19
It's quite obvious.


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DaveC426913 said:
Hey.

You know what is that big and is found in the Baltic Sea?

Offshore Drilling Platforms.
Here's one, randomly picked, that's 200ft in diameter...

I know. I'm a fun-wrecker.

I've never heard of any drilling platforms in the baltic sea. Where did you find that information?
 
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920118 said:
I've never heard of any drilling platforms in the baltic sea. Where did you find that information?

I Googled 'drilling platforms Baltic Sea'. :wink:
 
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Dickfore said:
Just to give a pictorial representation of what was hinted to in the article the OP had linked. For the Trekkies on these fora:
Uh. What exactly are the Trekkies going to do with that picture? Laugh? Spit?

Someone's showing his age ... :rolleyes:
 
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Being Trekkies, they would not know what the MF is.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
I Googled 'drilling platforms Baltic Sea'. :wink:

Hmph... I didn't find it on wikipedia, so it clearly isn't true. :wink:

The only information I'm able to find about drilling platforms in the Baltic sea concerns some platforms in the vicinity of Kaliningrad, but that isn't between Sweden and Finland. Those are also reported to be created in the Kaliningrad area, so it does seem kind of strange that one would end up in the area where the photo was take.
 
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920118 said:
Hmph... I didn't find it on wikipedia, so it clearly isn't true. :wink:

The only information I'm able to find about drilling platforms in the Baltic sea concerns some platforms in the vicinity of Kaliningrad, but that isn't between Sweden and Finland. Those are also reported to be created in the Kaliningrad area, so it does seem kind of strange that one would end up in the area where the photo was take.
Why is it kind of strange? I confess I know nothing about distribution and/or transportation of drilling rigs, but the fact that platforms are in the area is enough for me to consider it plausible. Do you know why there wouldn't be any there? Do you know where their port of first launch is?

But more importantly, however strange it may seem, trying to explain a drilling platform is far easier than most of the other suggestions so far.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
But more importantly, however strange it may seem, trying to explain a drilling platform is far easier than most of the other suggestions so far.

Barring my explanation. The resemblence is remarkable.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
Why is it kind of strange? I confess I know nothing about distribution and/or transportation of drilling rigs, but the fact that platforms are in the area is enough for me to consider it plausible. Do you know why there wouldn't be any there? Do you know where their port of first launch is?

But more importantly, however strange it may seem, trying to explain a drilling platform is far easier than most of the other suggestions so far.

Well, there doesn't seem to be any drilling platforms between Sweden and Finland, (I live in the area, so I'm pretty damn sure of this) and the only ones in the Baltic Sea seem to be pretty far away to the south, and were construced even further to the south. Finland is located northeast from Stockholm, while Kaliningrad is located 350-400 miles to the south-southeast. (For some reason I feel as if I'm too tired to understand your question... I should probably go asleep now)

Well yeah, it seems more plausible. But I'm not very good at being constructive ;)
 
  • #29
That "NCC-1701" written on it...what could that mean?
 
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lisab said:
That "NCC-1701" written on it...what could that mean?

That it made the Kessel Run in twelve parsecs.
 
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Not to beat the Star Wars thing to death, but it does bear a striking resemblance to:

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[STRIKE]I live in Sweden, so I have the most authority on this topic. What has been found is a real UFO. It has now been transported to a military facility. Don't ask me where, I am not allowed to reveal the location. Tests are currently being made on the craft. I got this information from a close friend of mine whose brother works in the military. So, in the near future we might have quantum weapons, antigravity, hyperdrives, teleports and psi-equipment. Then you all will fear the mighty Swedes![/STRIKE]
"He stars on a History Channel woo-woo show about ancient aliens. Humans couldn't have built the pyramids, humans couldn't have erected the stones at Stonehenge, etc, etc. I'm not saying that it was aliens, but it was Aliens!"
I've actually seen a couple of those programmes . I wish I didn't. They're full of wild speculations, most of them very easy to debunk. Why isn't there a delete button for my brain? :cry: [STRIKE]Still, the thing that was found in the Baltic Sea is a UFO. I'm 100% sure, I read it on facebook. o:)[/STRIKE]

Edit: I've striked out the things which was supposed to be a joke.
 
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DennisN said:
I live in Sweden, so I have the most authority on this topic. What has been found is a real UFO. It has now been transported to a military facility. Don't ask me where, I am not allowed to reveal the location. Tests are currently being made on the craft. I got this information from a close friend of mine whose brother works in the military. So, in the near future we might have quantum weapons, antigravity, hyperdrives, teleports and psi-equipment.

Then you all will fear the mighty Swedes!


I've actually seen a couple of those programmes . I wish I didn't. They're full of wild and insane speculations, most of them very easy to debunk. Why isn't there a delete button for my brain? :cry: Still, the thing that was found in the Baltic Sea is a UFO. I'm 100% sure, I read it on facebook. o:)
Very funny, but even in S&D we need to keep it serious.
 
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Ok, sorry. Do you want me to edit/delete my post? Edit: Edit: I've striked out the things which was supposed to be a joke.
 
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DennisN said:
Ok, sorry. Do you want me to edit/delete my post? Edit: Edit: I've striked out the things which was supposed to be a joke.
:-p
 
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Those mighty, semi-serious Swedes are back at work again over their mystery object on the bottom of the Baltic. Soon we should all know more.
http://www.oceanexplorer.se/

Respectfully submitted,
Steve
 
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Dotini said:
Those mighty, semi-serious Swedes are back at work again over their mystery object on the bottom of the Baltic. Soon we should all know more.
http://www.oceanexplorer.se/

Respectfully submitted,
Steve

Really? Huh! I guess this isn't just another internet meme. I will watch with renewed interest.
 
  • #39
Doubts are emerging over the motives of the treasure hunters. Sponsorship by a reality TV show and suspicious documents fuel suspicions of a (gasp!) commercial scam. The Swedes, having returned to port over the weekend, presumably to refill their beer lockers, are once again returning to the scene of the crime, or gold-mine, or whatever it is. They promise the "truth", so suspicion naturally doubles. I'd post a link, but the whole thing is starting to smell like lutefisk.

Respectfully submitted,
Steve
 
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Doubts are emerging over the motives of the treasure hunters.
Yeah, I got that feeling too after reading the page submitted above. Treasure hunters, indeed :smile:. I've tried to find some more info regarding this thing on Swedish sites, but I've failed; I've found zero, nada, zilch. :(
 
  • #41
I joined the FB group, just so I would get updates.

Mostly it's people flaming them.
 
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Its a great idea to make some money, notice their first blog post this year.

2012-01-26

A commercial opportunity out of the ordinary.

Ocean X Team has found a disc shaped object on the sea floor at 85 meters depth, but what is it?
Well, we do not know but your company should really not miss the chance of being highlighted in front of hundreds of millions TV-viewers when we found out.

We are also looking for investors who are interested in the object and can see the potential value.
For more information about investment please contact us.

Seems like a get-rich-quick scheme.
 
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Hepth said:
Its a great idea to make some money, notice their first blog post this year.



Seems like a get-rich-quick scheme.

As far as I'm concerned, it matters not whether they try to make a show about it - I am still curious as to what it is. Th only down-side I see is that we won't find that out till sweeps week...

I still say it's a sunken drill rig platform.
 
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Okay, I've seen the diver's video and read the brief report. It's an odd stone formation. Circular, but profiled something like a dome, or mushroom. It has what is said to be an egg shaped hole in the top, and covered with something like soot and has some smaller so far unexplained features. I'd link to the video but it's embedded in a sub PF standard website. Volcanism is said to be unknown in the area, but there's always a first time.

From the self-styled treasure hunter's website:
Treasure hunters confirm they have found something abnormal in the seabed

STOCKHOLM, Sweden, June 15, 2012

The Ocean X Team dove down to the circle-shaped object in the Baltic Sea and met something they never experienced before. First they thought it was just stone or a rock cliff, but after further observations the object appeared more as a huge mushroom, rising 3-4 meters/10-13 feet from the seabed, with rounded sides and rugged edges. The object had an egg shaped hole leading into it from the top, as an opening. On top of the object they also found strange stone circle formations, almost looking like small fireplaces. The stones were covered in something resembling soot.

“During my 20-year diving career, including 6000 dives, I have never seen anything like this. Normally stones don’t burn. I can’t explain what we saw, and I went down there to answer questions, but I came up with even more questions “, says Stefan Hogeborn, one of the divers at Ocean X Team.

The path to the object itself can be described as a runway or a downhill path that is flattened at the seabed with the object at the end of it.

“First we thought this was only stone, but this is something else. And since no volcanic activity has ever been reported in the Baltic Sea the find becomes even stranger. As laymen we can only speculate how this is made by nature, but this is the strangest thing I have ever experienced as a professional diver“, continues Peter Lindberg, one of the founder Ocean X Team.

Right now, scientists are examining samples from the circle-shaped object, and experts in sonar imaging are processing data from the ship to hopefully shed more light over the mysterious object.

Respectfully submitted,
Steve
 
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I expect this will be explained by geological effects by the receding ice sheet and water currents under the ice sheet, forming and depositing rocks and sediments. (Or something to that effect).

The feature that runs like a fault (as I understand it) up to this circular formation, may be due to ice weigth vanishing and land raising - breaking shallow rock?
 
  • #47
Dotini said:
Are we dealing with a scientific discovery - or a fraud?
I'm comfortable ruling out fraud. The thing is there, it's a matter of interpretation.

I think the question is: are we dealing with something natural but unprecedented or something natural but mundane?

Now that sunken oil rig is almost ruled out, my next best theory is volcanic plug. (Though no volcanic activity has "ever" been recorded in the Baltic Sea, that doesn't mean there wasn't in the distant past.)
 
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DaveC426913 said:
I think the question is: are we dealing with something natural but unprecedented or something natural but mundane?

A Google search for "erratic boulders" turned up this one, which isn't a million miles away:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letipea.
 
  • #49
DaveC426913 said:
I'm comfortable ruling out fraud. The thing is there, it's a matter of interpretation.

I like to think the best of people until proven otherwise. But it bothers me slightly that the photos are not obviously tied to the sonar scans.

DaveC426913 said:
I think the question is: are we dealing with something natural but unprecedented or something natural but mundane?

Now that sunken oil rig is almost ruled out, my next best theory is volcanic plug. (Though no volcanic activity has "ever" been recorded in the Baltic Sea, that doesn't mean there wasn't in the distant past.)

I'd like to hear of the lab analysis of the specimen rocks removed to the surface. There are indications that the object could also be a large meteorite. Don't forget that there are two objects, both with "tracks" leading to a common point.

Respectfully submitted,
Steve
 
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Dotini said:
I like to think the best of people until proven otherwise. But it bothers me slightly that the photos are not obviously tied to the sonar scans.



I'd like to hear of the lab analysis of the specimen rocks removed to the surface. There are indications that the object could also be a large meteorite. Don't forget that there are two objects, both with "tracks" leading to a common point.

Respectfully submitted,
Steve

I'm not ruling out anything. I got an extra jolt of suspicion when I read,

The divers say that there is a 985-foot-long path that can be described "as a runway or a downhill path that is flattened at the seabed with the object at the end of it."


A runway? Really? A bit of "leading the witness"...:rolleyes:. Sounds like hype to me.
 

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