Solve Dot Product Riddle in 3 or 1 Guess

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The riddle involves two participants where Person A selects three numbers between 0-99, and Person B must guess them based on the dot product provided after each guess. Person B can determine the numbers in three guesses by strategically choosing vectors that isolate each number in the dot product calculation. The challenge escalates to finding a method for Person B to guess the numbers in just one guess, with the hint that guesses are not limited to the 0-99 range. The discussion emphasizes the importance of formulating the initial guess to ensure that the subsequent guess is guaranteed to be correct. The key insight is that there are infinite ways to structure the first guess to achieve this outcome.
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I was recently posed a riddle that went like the following:

There are two people. Person A picks three numbers from 0-99. Person B guesses which three numbers that person A has picked. Then, person A gives the dot product of his picked numbers with person B's guessed numbers. The question is how could person B figure out person A's selected numbers in three guesses. Even more challenging is to provide a solution that allows person B to guess the numbers in one guess.

I have a solution to the first part:

Think of person A and person B as having their guess put into vectors \vec{a}=(a_{1}, a_{2}, a_{3}) and \vec{b}=(b_{1}, b_{2}, b_{3}) respectively. To get the corresponding component a_{1}, person B should select the components (1,0,0) so the dot product will yield a_{1}. Same for a_{2} and a_{3}. Simple enough.

The next part I am stumped. The only clue I was given is that person B's three guesses are not restricted between 0-99. Anyone have any insight?
 
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The key is that the numbers have a finite length, and can be separated far enough from each other by multiplication for further examination.
 
Hey guys!

I had no idea it was so simple! I was looking into it too much. Thanks for the help.
 
This also depends upon the value incorporated --In case one is choosing (7 ,77 ,93) as the three value -it may lead to come with 3 guesses .
Finite length numbers can be taken as simple guesses.Comes handy only with vectors
 
I'm probably way off here but don't you get a single equation with 3 unknowns? (and a restricted domain)
 
Von Neumann said:
Even more challenging is to provide a solution that allows person B to guess the numbers in one guess.
That's one additional guess, not one guess. The conversation would go like this:

Person A: I've picked three numbers from 0-99. Can you guess what they are, in the order in which I picked them? As a hint, I'll tell you the inner product of my numbers and your guess if your guess is wrong.
Person B: OK. Here's my first guess: b1, b2, and b3.
Person A: Hey! That's cheating! It's also wrong. But since I didn't make my rules clear enough, I guess I'll have to tell you that the inner product is c.
Person B: OK! Here's my second guess: a1, a2, and a3.
Person A: Correct.

Two guesses, not one. The puzzle is how to frame the first guess so that the second guess will inevitably be correct.
autodidude said:
I'm probably way off here but don't you get a single equation with 3 unknowns? (and a restricted domain)
No. There is a way (there are an infinite number of ways) to formulate the initial guess so that the second guess will always be correct.
 
D H said:
No. There is a way (there are an infinite number of ways) to formulate the initial guess so that the second guess will always be correct.

How? :confused:
 
autodidude said:
How? :confused:

Read Ferramentarius' clue again, and note that the guesses for B are not restricted to the range 0-99.
 
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