Black Women-White Men

pentazoid

I wasn't trying to imply everyone voted for Obama because of his skin color. I was referring to certain segments of the population. It is no that that obviously black people voted for him because of his skin color(since he received 95 percent of the black vote vs. 40 percent o from the general population), even though those reasons aren't the primary reason black people voted for him. The news has focused on obama race in this election. Some political pundits were insinuating to white people if you do not vote for Obama , then you are a racist(at least on my local talk radio show). Of course , everybody else isn't much better because the rest of the population either voted for a democrat or a republican and the status quo stands. Period.

CRGreathouse

Assuming you're Canadian:
About 2.2% of the population are First Nations. Since the average age for that group is quite young, I don't think it's too far off to guess that for those of Prime Minister age (a 16-year-old isn't likely to be PM, even if it's technically possible for a non-MP PM to be that young) only about 2% are First Nations.

There have been 22 Canadian PMs. If there were no boundaries to be pushed or broken (and demographics were constant -- I don't have the patience for a better analysis!), you'd expect a probability of 0.98^22 ~= 64% that no First Nations PMs would be elected.

baywax

There has yet to be one running in any election other than the Assembly of First Nations. They seemed to "run" the country well for the last 9000 years before we got here. No bail outs, no pollution, no deficit.

But I digress... thank you for taking the time to crunch the numbers. Beating the probability of 0.98^22 ~= 64% that no First Nations PMs would be elected would certainly push an envelope.

In keeping with the thread,

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/0...rder_of_canada

I don't know what type of women O'Ree married. My guess is she's a good old New Brunswickian with an accent that you couldn't cut with a skate blade.

Along with O'Ree, Celine Dion was elevated to Companions of the Order, the highest of the three rankings. (Hopefully that has kept her from singing for a few days)

Ivan Seeking

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...-race-matters/

JakeA

>>>Obama had every strike against him but rose to the highest office in the land. And there is much more to be admired in Obama. Also, to say it is sad that he inspires young people and gives them hope, when many are raised in a culture of utter hopelessness, is hard to understand.<<<

I doubt that if you put Obama's brain into a white guy named "Barry Olincy," that you would have ever heard of him. I view Obama's meteoric rise in U.S. politics rather cynically, a combination of various strange forms of racism and bigotry as well as a flawed and unfair electoral process.

Ivan Seeking

So then any black man, say like Jesse Jackson, could have won.

I am a huge Obama fan but have never seen another black candidate that I would support for President. I don't believe that I have ever voted for any black candidate before, for any office.

Frankly, your position is ludicrous. Three years ago a fortune could have been made by betting that the next President would be a black man named Hussein.

nottheone

Slightly off topic but why does everyone refer to Obama as being black? He is half white, why don't we refer to him as being white? Racism?

Since there are more black women on campus than black men it's only natural that more will go out with white men. If there were more black men than white men on campus we would see more white women with black men (took me hours to figure this out). Also, stretching the logic here, they just MIGHT be seeking some intellectual compatibility hard as that is to believe. Still , there will always be some women who like em big and dumb as a friend of mine (who could have been a Playboy centerfold) once told me.

For myself, if I had a choice between two equally attractive women, I would choose the black one in a heartbeat. Unfortunately that hasn't happened.

334dave

i have no comments on interracial / intersocial marriage
happyness and love dont come in the same form for every one
the largest growing social group is grandparents of 'mixed' kids
there is no reason or social worthyness in trying to fig it out..
on the press... humm ready for flame?

1st i think obama will do a good job ..
but as to how he got there..it made me sick...why?
he went to that radical preacher's church to garner political influence..
he won dem congressional ticket as unopposed
then a popular radical woman wanted to be the dem candidate
he would not with draw so she ran as independent
he could not win that congressional seat on dem ticket as he was not "black" enough
for the chi town district he lived in.. the radical talk woman won
he won in state wide with chi town machine support and white voters in so ill..
from day one inside the belt way dem leaders told him what to do so as to maintain
electability.. ie: dont get in hot button issues!

after he was pushed to the for front suddenly evey
black person spokesperson wanted to get out the vote for him..
many states had many tho's of never before bothering to vote blacks reg to vote

th black leaders conducted the largest turn out the
black vote campaign ever in US history.
he was elected by a the most raceiset voting i have ever heard of in any free country
even black leaders did not like him personally as evidenced by open mike comments

now , in MY personal opinion from watching this social race event
blacks in the usa are the most raciest voting group i have ever heard of!
they voted race regardless of political leanings!
had a WASP group conducted a get out the vote with but a small fraction of the
racest message i recall hearing in black news reports and black leaders used
there would have been accusations of KKK rebirth with a hue and cry
such as has not never heard after king was in the tent city..

king said his dream was to see a little girl judged on her character
not the color of her skin
every black person that voted for the current pres on race has done a
great discredit to kings memory..shame on you..

Ivan Seeking

When people vote for a President, they vote for the person that best represents them. Is it really so hard to understand how blacks would relate to Obama? Beyond that, since the Civil Rights movement, blacks have always swung heavily for the Democrats. Only briefly did they begin to show a little more support for the Republicans, in 2000 and 2004, but due to the last eight years, the Republicans lost ground with almost every demographic, not just blacks.

Consider that McCain comes from a State that refused to recognize MLK holiday. He also opposed the holiday.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...mplicated.html

Is it any wonder that blacks may not relate to McCain?

LydiaAC

I feel very guilty now. Years ago I tried to get some "scientific" explanation to some of the facts people claimed about differences between white and black people.
I argued something about black people being genetically selected by their endurance of adversity.
The problem is that, when someone claimed that black people had more children out of wedlock, I accepted that as a fact.
I recently learned about the large number of white people who give their babies in adoption for no other reason that they were born out of wedlock. Black people had never been so worried about "keeping appearances" so they usually keep their babies, in any circumstance.
Accusing black people of being particularly sexually promiscuous is totally unfair: they would be able to reply that white people is particularly hypocritical.
How many other information on which we are basing our debate is as wrong as this? I risked to be offensive to black people, ignoring a very important piece of information.
Maybe the way we manage this kind of things is wrong. Maybe the basic assumption of "there are not differences" although unfalsifiable, is the best approximation.

WhoWee

This thread lasted longer than you thought Ivan.

I think courtship boils down to location and availability. If two people who might not typically consider the other a potential date get to know one another due to close proximity or association - sparks might fly.

TheodoreLogan

While Obama may not be the best representation of a certain person's political beliefs, you do have to except the importance of electing the first black president. Dr. King had a dream but you must take steps to reach that dream. Only once interracial marraige and black presidents become 'no big deal' are we going to be at the point where we can judge a little girl on her character not the color of her skin. I think we have a ways to go, but we are getting there. To say a black person has done a great discredit to King's memory by voting for a black president, and shame on them? Shame on them? Come on, it takes steps to get to that dream. If that's what it takes, so be it. Not to say that Obama isn't a qualified candidate. If you are a far right black man, it doesn't make much sense. If you are on the fence, and you choose a president based on his color, well, if that's what it takes to move the country in a direction that is a positive one, as far as race relations, I think that it is a good choice. I think that more black women with white men has to do with a more accepting culture. Rather than black men being considered by black women to be more likely to be uneducated criminals and thus less acceptable mates compared to white men. That really is a horrible suggestion if you ask me.

WhoWee

Welcome to PF TheodoreLogan.

A changing culture is probably a factor. However, I think it has to do more with basic things like common interests, personality, and proximity. Close friendships formed in college or in the workplace often turn romantic.

A clear exception would be someone who specifically searches for another person on-line - different conversation.

TheodoreLogan

[QUOTE=WhoWee;3130537]Welcome to PF TheodoreLogan.QUOTE]

Thanks

Exactly, once blacks and whites are fully culturally integrated, there will be no boundary to what color your mate is. It just so happens that right now, black people and white people are not so integrated, and so we tend to stick with the culture that surrounds us. If every black man/woman has a white family member or vice versa, the cultural barriers will come down. This obviously takes time. The more 'mixing' that takes place in families will most likely lead to a more culturally 'mixed' generation of people. This will most likely lead to more interracial relationships/families. IMO people don't really change all that much, it is just that people die and so do there ideals and values, it is the next generation that truly makes the change. So as more generations continue to 'mix' so will the cultures until racism is no longer an issue. In my opinion.

planck

Actually, I remember reading a related article about this so-called new phenomenon of black women dating white men. And in all reality, it's really not a new phenomenon. It was more commonplace in the 18th/19th century in America. Then, I believe after reconstruction-emancipation, it begin to dissipate. And now, it's beginning to make a comeback, despite the taboos that may accompany it. The taboos being that a white man, with his black female partner inferred a master/slave relationship.

But what truly is a new phenomenon is the black male/white women pairing. Unlike, white male-black female pairings, this one was very taboo.

That's all I can remember from the piece. I can't recall the article very well. It was interesting though.