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Group mod a subgroupby Zorba
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#1
Mar2711, 12:15 PM

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Suppose G is a group and H is a subgroup of G. Then is G\H a subgroup itself? My feeling is it shouldn't be since 1[tex]\in[/tex]H, therefore 1[tex]\notin[/tex]G\H?
I'm getting a bit confused about this because I'm doing a homework sheet and the question deals with a homomorphism from G [tex]\rightarrow[/tex] G\H and I'm wondering what happens to the identity element... Thanks! 


#2
Mar2711, 12:22 PM

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if H is a normal subgroup, then G/H is a group. It's not a subgroup of G though since its elements are the cosets [itex]eH=H, g_1H, g_2H, ...[/itex], which are the images of the elements of G under that mapping. maybe I misunderstood completely though, did you get / mixed up with \ ? because G\H usually means the set {g in G  g not in H}, while G/H means quotient group



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Mar2711, 12:27 PM

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I think your confusing some notation. G/H is different from G\H.
G\H is the setdifference and it is not a group. And certainly not a subgroup. G/H is the quotient group, and it is a group (when H is normal). But it's not a subgroup (in general). 


#4
Mar2911, 04:05 AM

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Group mod a subgroup
when H is a normal subgroup of G, G/H can be made into a group by setting coset multiplication as: (Hx)(Hy) = H(xy).
the condition of normality is necessary, because Hx is not uniquely determined by x (it has other members of G in it, as well), and if Hx ≠ xH (equivalently if xHx^1 ≠ H), then the multiplication will not be welldefined. there is a "canonical" homomorphism G>G/H for any quotient group G/H of G, which sends the element g of G to the right (= left) coset Hg. the identity of G/H is He = H, which is also the kernel of the canonical homomorphism. one way to look at such quotient (or factor) groups is to think of all the members of H being set arbitrarily to the identity, e. since the identity commutes with everything, the normality condition is akin to saying H has to "commute with every g" (this is NOT to say that hg = gh for every h in H. remember, we're "shrinking H to a point" so we can't really tell the difference between h and h' in H. so hg = gh' is the best we can say, they both get packed down into the coset Hg). 


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