Is thermodynamics a description rather than a mechanism?

In summary, the conversation discusses the use of laws of physics, specifically the law of thermodynamics, in systems that do not have a well-defined temperature. The speaker mentions that in many systems, a temperature equivalent can still be defined and thermodynamics can be applied. They also mention the use of Statistical Mechanics to describe systems with a large number of particles or sub-systems that interact with each other.
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It seems to me that it should be. For example, some systems do not have a well-defined temperature. How do you use laws of physics depending on temperature (such as the law of thermodynamics) when you have a system that doesn't have a well-defined temperature? How do you even go about discussing things like thermodynamic irreversibility when your systems do not have a well-defined temperature?
 
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You'd be surprised in how many systems you can define a temperature equivalent and apply thermodynamics. Traffic jams can be viewed as a phase transition, for example.

But you are right. It's a mathematical tool. More generally, what you are looking at is Statistical Mechanics, which gives you means of describing system consisting of very large number of particles or sub-systems that interact with each other. Even if interactions are simple, accounting for each one is impossible, but you can still talk about behavior of the system as a whole.
 
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You'd be surprised in how many systems you can define a temperature equivalent and apply thermodynamics. Traffic jams can be viewed as a phase transition, for example.

But you are right. It's a mathematical tool. More generally, what you are looking at is Statistical Mechanics, which gives you means of describing system consisting of very large number of particles or sub-systems that interact with each other. Even if interactions are simple, accounting for each one is impossible, but you can still talk about behavior of the system as a whole.
 

1. What is thermodynamics?

Thermodynamics is a branch of physics that deals with the study of energy and its transformations, particularly in relation to heat, work, and temperature.

2. What is the difference between a description and a mechanism?

A description is a statement or account that explains the characteristics or features of something, while a mechanism is a system of parts working together to achieve a specific function or result.

3. Is thermodynamics considered a description or a mechanism?

Thermodynamics is considered a description, as it provides a framework for understanding how energy behaves and is transferred between different systems, but it does not explain the underlying mechanisms at a microscopic level.

4. Can thermodynamics be used to predict the behavior of a system?

Yes, thermodynamics can be used to make predictions about the behavior of a system, such as changes in temperature, pressure, and energy, based on the laws and principles of thermodynamics.

5. Are there any limitations to thermodynamics as a description?

Yes, there are limitations to thermodynamics as a description, as it does not explain the microscopic mechanisms behind energy transformations and cannot be applied to systems that are too small or too complex, such as individual molecules or living organisms.

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