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May112, 02:19 AM

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Hallo everyone!
energy in a physical system is the ability to do work. E=W Where Work = F x D Now if the force increase obviously "work" will increase! does that mean the energy also increases? Now if I had a system and the force in its start is 20 Newtons x 2 meters = 40J = The amount of energy in the system right? If the force increase to lets say 50 Newtons x 2 meters= 100J so its goes on and on and on and the energy is going to increase much much more right? So if force in a system's start at 20N then more forces is added the energy increase right? Hope I'm making sense! In a way im trying to say "energy" in a system can increase if "force" or "distance" increase right? Where both force and distance are the main valuables of the system. Thanks! 



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May112, 02:31 AM

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Yes, but from the way you pose the question I've a funny feeling you're going to misapply the answer ;) Do you have a particular setup in mind?




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May112, 03:11 AM

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Yeah, that sounds about right. (Remember that W = F * D is only strictly valid as written when F is constant throughout the entire displacement D that the force F "carried the object through.")
For example, if you have two sleds of the same mass, and you pull the second one twice as hard as the first one (with twice the force), and keep that force "steady" each time through the same distance, then the second sled will have twice the kinetic energy as the first upon "release." 



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May112, 01:12 PM

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energy = work?
Im breaking down "Energy" to the fundamental structure.
You see... I was asking my self for a while about F and Energy confused always about the two. E depends on F so in a way I wanted to imagine and understand it. Now I'll apply an example to what I'm trying to say. If I had a system that is able to do work"Kinetic energy". It started for example with 1000J'S over 10 Meters the forces will = 100N's So if I simply increased the "Force" alone in the system to lets say 500N'S x 10Meters = 5000J of kinetic energy! Now the things is "FORCE" can be created while the distance is constant and I'd like to increase the energy of the system. Just studying this system more and more I'm kinda a fan of "ENERGY" and its mysterious ways 



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May112, 01:14 PM

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Although I plan to do something if! I understood energy more. But what did you think I was going to do? Or imagined me doing or whatever ? 



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May112, 03:57 PM

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In your example, therefore, if you consider how much force F and distance D is needed to stop a moving object, then F*D is a measure of how much kinetic energy (which is also mv^{2}/2) the object must have had if it stops from force F over distance D. If you want to independently vary F and keep D constant, then it means you are not necessarily stopping the object, you are merely taking F*D kinetic energy away from it (note I am imagining that F points opposite to the object's motion you can also add to the object's kinetic energy of course by using a positive F instead of a negative one). If the object starts out at rest, so has 0 kinetic energy originally, then you can give it kinetic energy F*D using a force F over distance D (which perhaps is what you were talking about). By the way this all follows directly from F = ma. 



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May112, 04:04 PM

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Yes.




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May112, 04:39 PM

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See the thing is I'm studying force & energy all together.
I understand I due follow the laws of thermo + conservation all together in the system so I understand how things are going.However,Im making example and playing with their key valuables in the system such as "F" AND "D". So all in all in a system that has "KE" of 1000J by increasing ONLY its Force the system could get more "KE" transfered from a source. Thus resulting a win/win situation for both laws force is added and energy is transfered HAH!"just go that eureka moment" Really really interesting they are! Thanks everyone any more inputs I'd be grateful for them! Actually I might come back with another thing related to this question and post it. 



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May112, 04:59 PM

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May112, 11:00 PM

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For me I've been struggling to relate force and energy in a system. I looked at them in a different way but now I can see the picture with perfect colors. I understand its all depended on certain conditions areas and many factors. Physics is the breakdown of EVERYTHING physical in a system so I do keep account everything surrounding the system. Thank you for you're input! Now if force is that "KICK" or "PUSH" in a system is energy that power to supply the "PUSH" or "KICK"? 



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Hi.
Bank account = salary paid? Yes, in a sense. No, in another sense. Regards. 



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Jun212, 07:06 AM

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He is pointing out that, as you said initially, change in energy= work done on or by a system. It's a bit simplistice to just say "energy= work".




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Jun212, 07:43 AM

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I would say that work is a method of transferring energy from one object or system to another one. In thermodynamics, heat is another method. In fact, the first law of thermodynamics says those are the only two methods for changing the internal energy of an system: ΔU = Q + W, or ΔU = Q  W, depending on the sign convention that you use for work.




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