S+T=1 sensitivity of a control system

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The discussion centers on the sensitivity of control systems, specifically the relationship between the forward gain (G) and feedback (C) in feedback loops. It highlights that the gain of a feedback loop cannot exceed 1 unless the feedback sign is reversed, which can lead to instability and oscillation. This phenomenon occurs when the feedback delay results in a phase shift of 180 degrees. The conversation also draws parallels to real-world examples, such as audio feedback in microphones and speakers, and Earth's temperature regulation through feedback mechanisms. Overall, the profound nature of feedback systems is emphasized through these examples.
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with s being the sensitivity of a transfer function GC/(1+GC) to the parameter G. (1/(1+GC)

I see mathematically how it works out. My question is about the profoundness of the statement. Qualitatively, what does it mean
 
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My question is about the profoundness of the statement. Qualitatively, what does it mean
I gather you're talking about feedback systems here...

To me it is a demonstration of the profound effect of feedback...

G is the forward gain

and C is the feedback
let C be +1 for simplicity's sake

observe that gain of the feedback loop G/(1 + G) cannot be greater than 1, regardless of forward gain G,,,,

unless you reverse sign of feedback
which creates possibility of a zero denominator (hence infinite closed loop gain) hence oscillation...

And that happens by itself when time lag of feedback amounts to a half cycle(180 degrees) which reverses the sign...
Any physical system with feedback will find that frequency for you; recall from elementary school when the PA microphone gets in front of the speaker you get a pure tone - that's the frequency where transit time at speed of sound from speaker to mike amounts to a half cycle.

Mother Nature is very playful !
Look at Earth's feedback system for temperature control - heat transport from surface to stratosphere via water vapor.

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