The Mystery of a 1000 Times Increase in Weight: Exploring the Physics Behind It

In summary, the conversation discusses the difference between the ability to pick up a 1 gram object with a magnet and the inability to pick up a 1 kg object with the same magnet. The comparison between electromagnetism and gravity is also brought up, with the understanding that the two forces cannot be directly compared due to factors such as the strength of the magnetic field and the mass of the objects involved. It is also mentioned that the neutrality of matter plays a role in the strength of these forces.
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not able to pick up a 1 kg iron object off the ground by overcoming the gravitational force between Earth and the object.

Consider this : It can pick up a 1 gram (iron) object easily. Then, the increase (from 1gm to 1 kg) would be by a 1000 times. Clearly that increase cannot account for the factorial difference of billions of times between electromagnetism and gravity. What gives?

I know, I am making a simple mistake in my thinking somewhere but can't really figure it out.
 
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You are misinterpreting the comparison. You can't compare bulk material, because a number of factors can affect the strength of the magnetic field (such as the purity of the material, and the temperature).

What you CAN do is compare the magnetic "force" between two electrons, and then compare the gravitational strength between them at the identical distance.

Zz.
 
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Without realizing it you are mixing a bunch of different topics. First, Newtonian gravity and Coulomb's law are both inverse square laws, but an ideal magnet is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_moment#Magnetic_field_produced_by_a_magnetic_moment". Second, the difference in the mass of the Earth and the mass of your chunks of iron is much more than a factor of "billions". Third, you are comparing magnetism at a distance of a few inches to gravity at a distance of thousands of kilometers (assuming an ideal spherical earth).

The first point is probably the most important for your practical experiment. If you placed your 1 gram object at the same distance from the magnet as the far side of your 1 kg object it probably would not lift even the 1 gram object.
 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmSyJSSuFpM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHXpZpcMLTA&feature=related

To expand a bit on DaleSpam's and Zz's posts, consider the analogy of picking up a small piece of neutral paper with a charged comb. The charged comb induces a tiny polarization on the neutral paper that allows you to pick it up. You won't be able to pick up a stack of papers because the tiny polarization remains the same.

A key thing is that the piece of paper itself is neutral, and the comb only induces the charge. It is different for objects with net charge. If a comb can pick up a small object with 1 net charge, it can pick up an object 1000 as big with 1000 net charges. For electromagnetism, there are positive and negative charges which cancel each other out to a very high precision (a tiny grain of salt is neutral, even though it has gazillions of charges). For gravity, there is no opposite charge, and so even though it is weak, it builds up over large distance. The neutrality of matter is why even though the electromagnetic force is much stronger than gravity, it tends not to be apparent at large distances.
 
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Thanx guys, I think I am getting it. But, if anyone wants to add something, it'd be great.
 

1. What is the "mystery" of a 1000 times increase in weight?

The mystery refers to the phenomenon where an object's weight increases by 1000 times without any visible change in its size or shape. This has been observed in certain materials, such as aerogel, when they are exposed to certain conditions.

2. What causes this increase in weight?

The increase in weight is caused by the absorption of air molecules into the material's porous structure. This leads to an increase in the material's overall density, resulting in a higher weight.

3. Is this phenomenon unique to aerogel?

No, this phenomenon has been observed in other materials as well, such as zeolites and some polymers. However, aerogel is the most well-known example due to its extremely low density and high porosity.

4. How is this increase in weight measured?

The increase in weight can be measured using a balance or scale. The object's weight is first measured in its dry state, and then again after it has been exposed to the conditions that cause the weight increase. The difference in weight between the two measurements is the weight increase.

5. Are there any practical applications for this phenomenon?

Yes, this phenomenon has potential applications in areas such as oil spill cleanup and air filtration. The increased weight and density of the material allows it to capture and hold onto smaller particles, making it an effective absorbent material.

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