Infinitely differentiable function

In summary: You can see this by taking the derivative of the y part and putting it back into the original function:I was just wondering if all order derivatives were 0 when we were taking the derivative of a constant, or if it was because we were using the exponential and taking a limit.
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IniquiTrance
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This might sound like a stupid question.

[itex] f(x) = \begin{cases} &e^{-\frac{1}{x^2}} &\text{if } x\neq 0 \\ & 0 &\text{if } x = 0 \end{cases}[/itex]

Is the reason f is infinitely differentiable at 0 because we keep differentiating 0 as a constant, or because,

[itex] \lim_{x\rightarrow 0} f`(x) = \lim_{x\rightarrow 0} \frac{2}{x^3} e^{-\frac{1}{x^2}} = 0[/itex]

Thanks.
 
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IniquiTrance said:
This might sound like a stupid question.

[itex] f(x) = \begin{cases} &e^{-\frac{1}{x^2}} &\text{if } x\neq 0 \\ & 0 &\text{if } x = 0 \end{cases}[/itex]

Is the reason f is infinitely differentiable at 0 because we keep differentiating 0 as a constant, or because,

[itex] \lim_{x\rightarrow 0} f`(x) = \lim_{x\rightarrow 0} \frac{2}{x^3} e^{-\frac{1}{x^2}} = 0[/itex]

Thanks.

Hey IniquiTrance and welcome to the forums.

If you want to show differentiability at a particular point from first principles, you need to show that the appropriate limit exists from both sides of the point (which is what you have done).

The only thing though that I would recommend is that you expand out the definition and show it step by step using the various limit theorems (since you are going to get infinities for this particular problem).
 
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Thanks for the reply chiro. I was just mainly wondering whether all order derivatives were 0, because we were taking the derivative of 0 as a constant which is uniformly 0, or instead because we are using the exponential and taking a limit. I'm assuming from your response that it is because of the latter case.
 
  • #4
One can show that the nth derivative is [itex]e^{-1/x^2}[/itex] over a polynomial in x. The numerator always goes to 0 faster than the denominator so the limit of the nth derivative, as x goes to 0, is 0. Much the same thing happens at x= 0. The "difference quotient, (f(h)- f(0))/h= f(h)/h, will be have [itex]e^{-1/h^2}[/itex] in the numerator and a polynomial in h in the denominator so the derivative at x= 0 is always 0 and every derivative is differentiable.
 
  • #5
You can apply L Hopital's rule

setting

[itex]\epsilon[/itex]=[1][/x^2]

so then

[itex]\epsilon[/itex]*([itex]\epsilon[/itex])^0.5*e^(-1*[itex]\epsilon[/itex])

you can see this utilizing L'hopital's rule
 
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IniquiTrance said:
Thanks for the reply chiro. I was just mainly wondering whether all order derivatives were 0, because we were taking the derivative of 0 as a constant which is uniformly 0, or instead because we are using the exponential and taking a limit. I'm assuming from your response that it is because of the latter case.

It's the latter. Consider the function

f(x) = 0 if x=0, x if x is not zero. Is f'(0)=0 because we're taking the derivative of the constant function 0? Clearly not, right?
 
  • #7
You have to show that the function has a derivative at 0, and that it is 0.

Also you need to show that the function is continuous(as that is required for it to be differentiable).

This function is interesting because it obscures all the information about the e^(y) part of the function(and so doesn't have a taylor series expansion at 0).
 

What is an infinitely differentiable function?

An infinitely differentiable function is a mathematical function that has derivatives of all orders. This means that the function can be differentiated an infinite number of times, resulting in an infinite number of derivatives.

Why is an infinitely differentiable function important?

Infinitely differentiable functions are important in calculus and mathematical analysis because they allow for more precise and accurate modeling of real-world phenomena. They also have many useful properties that make them valuable in solving complex mathematical problems.

How can you tell if a function is infinitely differentiable?

A function is infinitely differentiable if its derivatives of all orders exist and are continuous. This means that the function must be smooth and have no abrupt changes or discontinuities. Additionally, a function is infinitely differentiable if it can be expressed as a power series, which is a series of terms that involve different powers of the independent variable.

Can a discontinuous function be infinitely differentiable?

No, a discontinuous function cannot be infinitely differentiable. As mentioned earlier, for a function to be infinitely differentiable, it must be continuous, meaning that it has no abrupt changes or breaks. If a function is discontinuous, it means that there is a break in its graph, and therefore, it cannot have derivatives of all orders.

What are some examples of infinitely differentiable functions?

Examples of infinitely differentiable functions include polynomials, trigonometric functions (such as sine and cosine), and exponential functions. These types of functions have derivatives of all orders and can be used to model a wide range of natural phenomena in physics, engineering, and other fields.

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