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What exactly does it mean to "Regulate" the internet? Why is this important to achieve/avoid?
You'll have to be much more specific since the internet is not a "thing". It is tens of thousands of pieces of independently, privately, corporately and government owned portions of data networks around the world that tentatively *agree* to connect to each other. Pieces of the internet come and go and change constantly as people buy, sell, go bankrupt, etc...Drakkith said:What exactly does it mean to "Regulate" the internet? Why is this important to achieve/avoid?
So wouldn't this belong in P&WA? It's not about computers, it's about law.Greg Bernhardt said:China regulates their piece of the internet by censoring.
Evo said:You'll have to be much more specific since the internet is not a "thing". It is tens of thousands of pieces of independently, privately, corporately and government owned portions of data networks around the world that tentatively *agree* to connect to each other. Pieces of the internet come and go and change constantly as people buy, sell, go bankrupt, etc...
Are you talking about *rules* that some governments are trying to impose on owners of the pieces, mostly the major backbone carriers (IXC's)?
Drakkith said:What does "regulation" mean first of all?
Drakkith said:I've heard arguments for and against regulating the internet, and I have no idea what the issues are beyond the usual ramblings of morons in online places like facebook. Why would regulation be bad for the net? Obviously this isn't a black or white situation, or else it wouldn't be an issue.
That's the regulation of copyright infringement on the internet. So, that is one aspect.Greg Bernhardt said:
via law.Greg Bernhardt said:Control
Exactly, stealing is stealing. The fact that the internet makes stealing easier does not make it right.Drakkith said:I see. Well, it appears to be quite a conundrum! What to regulate, how to regulate, if to regulate...I mean we can't go around stealing all this media forever without consequence.
Drakkith said:if to regulate...
Evo said:Exactly, stealing is stealing. The fact that the internet makes stealing easier does not make it right.
SixNein said:What constitutes stealing in the digital age?
Drakkith said:What exactly does it mean to "Regulate" the internet? Why is this important to achieve/avoid?
Evo said:Exactly, stealing is stealing. The fact that the internet makes stealing easier does not make it right.
Evo said:Exactly, stealing is stealing. The fact that the internet makes stealing easier does not make it right.
I'm not taking any side on this debate but it's worth pointing out that internet piracy is not theft, it's copyright infringement. The important difference is that theft requires property to be illegally taken from the owner by another person. What you get in internet piracy is usually the owner of a product illegally copying it and distributing the copies for free.Drakkith said:Is this a serious question?
Ryan_m_b said:I'm not taking any side on this debate but it's worth pointing out that internet piracy is not theft, it's copyright infringement. The important difference is that theft requires property to be illegally taken from the owner by another person. What you get in internet piracy is usually the owner of a product illegally copying it and distributing the copies for free.
Where the rub comes is the ethics of copyright infringement in certain circumstances along with the practicality of it.
Drakkith said:Is this a serious question?
Ryan_m_b said:I'm not taking any side on this debate but it's worth pointing out that internet piracy is not theft, it's copyright infringement. The important difference is that theft requires property to be illegally taken from the owner by another person. What you get in internet piracy is usually the owner of a product illegally copying it and distributing the copies for free.
Where the rub comes is the ethics of copyright infringement in certain circumstances along with the practicality of it.
Copying and downloading anything that is legally for sale without paying for it.SixNein said:As a matter of fact, it's a very serious question.
In a digital world, what is stealing?
It's theft. You are taking income away from the rightful owner. You're stealing money, removing income, by any name it's theft. When an employee "fixes" the books at work and moves "numbers" to other accounts, you think it's not theft? Authorities would disagree. I know you're going by what's being claimed online, I've seen the arguments, by the same authorities that claim doctoring numbers in a ledger is theft.Ryan_m_b said:I'm not taking any side on this debate but it's worth pointing out that internet piracy is not theft, it's copyright infringement. The important difference is that theft requires property to be illegally taken from the owner by another person. What you get in internet piracy is usually the owner of a product illegally copying it and distributing the copies for free.
Where the rub comes is the ethics of copyright infringement in certain circumstances along with the practicality of it.
Evo said:It's theft. You are taking income away from the rightful owner.
Obviously not all would have paid for it, but probably a large number would have. If it's free, albeit illegally, I'd dare say more harm than good is done. Something we won't know. Even otherwise honest people will download something if it's "free", many not even realizing it's illegal.Andre said:Agree. Obviously it's not only the copier who is at fault, but even more so the person who made the article available for downloading.
Interesing question however is if the downloader would have bought it, had he had to pay for it and also if the larger illegal distribition could benefit the orginal producer a bit, gaining more popularity that way?
Ryan_m_b said:I'm not taking any side on this debate but it's worth pointing out that internet piracy is not theft, it's copyright infringement. The important difference is that theft requires property to be illegally taken from the owner by another person. What you get in internet piracy is usually the owner of a product illegally copying it and distributing the copies for free.
Where the rub comes is the ethics of copyright infringement in certain circumstances along with the practicality of it.
That's incorrect, search engines like google just help you find things, they have nothing to do with accessing it.ImaLooser said:It's pretty strange. Today something has been published on the Web if and only if the search engines like Google can read and list it. So its "published" if and only if software can read it. Whether the public can read it doesn't matter. Weird, huh?
Evo said:Copying and downloading anything that is legally for sale without paying for it.
Evo said:When a film is made, is it wrong to charge to see it? When music is recorded is it wrong to charge to hear it? When a book is written, is it wrong to charge to read it?
How else are artists to make their money?
Evo said:It's theft...
Andre said:Agree...
Yes, something needs to be done because the internet has completely turned the tables, but I don't see how anything can be done that's reasonable. You know what they say "if downloading music is criminal, only criminals will have music".cobalt124 said:Agree too. It is theft. But call the companies to account too. Publishers, ISPs and the rest place profit before punishing theft, and also do not give a tinkers cuss when it comes to publishing artists creative work as widely as possible, also a consequence of punishing theft would be to create "haves" and "have nots" when it comes to buying films, music or whatever. We need a better model.
Evo said:Yes, something needs to be done because the internet has completely turned the tables, but I don't see how anything can be done that's reasonable. You know what they say "if downloading music is criminal, only criminals will have music".
Evo said:Yes, something needs to be done because the internet has completely turned the tables, but I don't see how anything can be done that's reasonable.
Evo said:Copying and downloading anything that is legally for sale without paying for it.