Discover the Number of 8 Letter Words with 3 Vowels and Non-Repeating Consonants

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In summary, the conversation is discussing how to calculate the number of 8 letter words with 3 vowels and unique consonants. The formula given is 5^3*26*25*24*23*22, but there is a question about whether or not the formula should also account for order. The conversation also mentions the possibility of using a combination equation instead of a permutation equation, and the clarification that there are only 21 consonants in the English alphabet. The final conclusion is that the calculation should include the integration of vowels and consonants, which can be done by multiplying by (26 choose 5).
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How many 8 letter words have 3 vowels constants do not repeat.

Is it
5^3*26*25*24*23*22 ?
 
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Miike012 said:
How many 8 letter words have 3 vowels constants do not repeat.

Is it
5^3*26*25*24*23*22 ?

Don't you have to also factor in order too:

act vs cat vs some nonsense words like tca, cta ...

cafe vs face
 
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Another question how do I know when to use the combination equation or permutation equation?
For instance given the example which is posted above are the following strings the same?

A E I M N P Q R
and
E A I M N P Q R
They both contain the same three vowels and the only thing I changed was the placement of the first and second terms
 
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jedishrfu said:
Don't you have to also factor in order too:

act vs cat vs some nonsense words like tca, cta ...

cafe vs face

so I should add 8! ?
 
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jedishrfu said:
Don't you have to also factor in order too:

act vs cat vs some nonsense words like tca, cta ...

cafe vs face

I'm not sure that would work, for instance


A1 B A2
and
A2 B A1

are the same.

I almost feel like I should add (8 choose 3) instead of 8!
 
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Miike012 said:
I'm not sure that would work, for instance


A1 B A2
and
A2 B A1

are the same.

I almost feel like I should add (8 choose 3) instead of 8!

I think your consonants are unique but your vowels might repeat so you'd also have to factor that in too.
 
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Miike012 said:
so I should add 8! ?

You mean multiply by 8!?
No, your original formula already has some ordering in it.
For the vowels you have 53, so you've already counted all vowel orders.
Similarly, for the consonants, you used 26P5, not 26C5, so you have those ordered.
All that you are missing is integrating the vowels with the consonants. How many ways are there of doing that?
 
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Remember that the vowels are part of the 26 letters. There are only 21 consonants.
 
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vela said:
Remember that the vowels are part of the 26 letters. There are only 21 consonants.

I missed that, thanks.
 
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vela said:
Remember that the vowels are part of the 26 letters. There are only 21 consonants.

How true :redface:
 

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