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Dembadon
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This is intended to be a continuation of a discussion in this thread, which might might've been off-topic.
How does AA discriminate? Is there any evidence of discrimination due to AA?
Affirmative action does not require a company to hire unqualified people. It also does not impose quotas. In fact, quotas in AA programs are prohibited. The policy you described leads me to believe the company didn't understand what AA is.
http://www.dol.gov/ofccp/regs/compliance/aa.htm#.UO4G5onjn48
russ_watters said:I'm not sure about the "establishing social myths" part (not even sure what that means, but what AA does is fight discrimination with discrimination. ...
How does AA discriminate? Is there any evidence of discrimination due to AA?
Evo said:... Affirmitive action is designed to make sure that there are similar number of minorites to majorities, regardless of if they are qualified.
I'll give you an example, when affirmative action was put in place, my office was a good balance of whites and hispanics (TX), but no blacks lived in the area. So suddenly we had a quota of blacks to hire or be financially penalized, so we stopped hiring anyone but blacks. No blacks applied. So we went after black people, they failed the entrance test and couldn't be hired. Our employee numbers were dwindling since we were allowed to hire only blacks. So we waived the employment tests, they were given 3 or more months to complete a 2 week training course, most couldn't pass training. So, we hired them anyway so that we could start hiring people capable of doing the job. The ones that failed were on one side of the room where they'd gossip, paint their fingernails and read magazines. They were union, and affirmative action, couldn't be fired.
Now there were black people that did pass and did well.
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Affirmative action (placing unquailified people into jobs) is not the answer, but fairness in hiring people of equal qualifications is.
Affirmative action does not require a company to hire unqualified people. It also does not impose quotas. In fact, quotas in AA programs are prohibited. The policy you described leads me to believe the company didn't understand what AA is.
emphasis addeddol.gov said:Based on the utilization analyses under Executive Order 11246 and the availability of qualified individuals, the contractors establish goals to reduce or overcome the under-utilization. Good faith efforts may include expanded efforts in outreach, recruitment, training and other activities to increase the pool of qualified minorities and females. The actual selection decision is to be made on a non-discriminatory basis.
emphasis addeddol.gov said:Goals, Timetables & Good Faith Efforts:
The numerical goals are established based on the availability of qualified applicants in the job market or qualified candidates in the employer’s work force. Executive Order numerical goals do not create set-asides for specific groups, nor are they designed to achieve proportional representation or equal results. Rather, the goal-setting process in affirmative action planning is used to target and measure the effectiveness of affirmative action efforts to eradicate and prevent discrimination. The Executive Order and its supporting regulations do not authorize OFCCP to penalize contractors for not meeting goals. The regulations at 41 CFR 60-2.12(e), 60-2.30 and 60-2.15, specifically prohibit quota and preferential hiring and promotions under the guise of affirmative action numerical goals. In other words, discrimination in the selection decision is prohibited.
http://www.dol.gov/ofccp/regs/compliance/aa.htm#.UO4G5onjn48