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As it stands, who are you voting for?
Originally posted by Zero
Do we really need a poll to know that PF members are pretty well-informed, and therefore will generally be voting against Bush?
(note that I said "against Bush", and not "for Kerry")
I doubt it...unless you knew me back in the late 1990s? I may have mentioned that I previously felt that way, but certainly not in the last few years. For instance, while I don't think that electing Kerry is somehow going to create a utopia in America, I do think that electing Bush would be a disaster. Actually, so do an increasing number of Republicans, according to some polls and reading online that I have done. Bush has, for instance, gone against the whole "fiscal responsibility" and "small government" ideals of traditional conservatism.Originally posted by phatmonky
You know, I think it was you that argued against me one time that it is better to not vote, than to vote for "the lesser of two evils" - has the mindset changed now with that statement?
Mystery solved...every thinks they are going to win the lottery. On the off chance that they win on American Idol, strike oil while shooting at some food, or learn to make $10,000 a month from real estate, without ever leaving your house or putting down a down-payment!, they want to make sure there's a Republican in office.Originally posted by Njorl
I'm sure many well-informed people will vote for Bush. The wealthiest 5% of the population are well-informed. Why anyone else would vote for him is a mystery.
Njorl
Originally posted by Zero
Mystery solved...every thinks they are going to win the lottery. On the off chance that they win on American Idol, strike oil while shooting at some food, or learn to make $10,000 a month from real estate, without ever leaving your house or putting down a down-payment!, they want to make sure there's a Republican in office.
That, or they hate minoriities and homosexuals?
Originally posted by suyver
I am not a US citizen and I don't live in the country either. But when I look at http://www.doyouknow.org/topics/ , I just cannot understand why so many people are such big fans of him. Do you understand why that is?
Originally posted by Zero
Which American ideals do you find so repugnant? Not strawman arguments based on the last time you listend to Faux News or right-wing AM radio, but which views ACTUALLY HELD BY DEOMCRATS, do you dislike? Equal rights? Medicine for children? Education?
Originally posted by Zero
So, you don't mind that Bush lied about the cost of the Medicare plan?
Jeez, speaking of skewed...Originally posted by Zero
Which American ideals do you find so repugnant? ...which views ACTUALLY HELD BY DEMOCRATS, do you dislike? Equal rights? Medicine for children? Education?
And speaking of strawmen, I guess it bears repeating: Phat and I are not big fans of Bush. You don't need to continue to pound an argument that's not being argued.So, you don't mind that Bush lied about the cost of the Medicare plan?
I'm not sure why I disappoint you: I agree with virtually everything you just said about Clinton and Bush.Originally posted by GENIERE
Russ Waters disappoints me. Fundamentally, President Clinton rarely acted as politically principled person...
suyver said:Kerry.
Too bad I can't vote.
Robert Zaleski said:I'm glad you can't vote. The last time the Swiss took a vote, it was to stay out of World War II and profit from the misery of their neighbors.
Shame on your grandmothers for not saving for their retirement (mine did) and shame on you for forcing others to pay for their mistakes.schwarzchildradius said:And shame on you for bashing social security, some of our grandmothers need that to live.
So you assume your assumptions are better than my assumptions?Tsunami said:What the hell's the matter with you russ? Who are you to shame a woman (one you know absolutely NOTHING about) who probably spent a lifetime paying into a government system...
What kind of logic is that? grandmothers pay into social security, and then they reap the rewards so long as neo-con-men haven't looted the savings for profit. No others pay for their mistakes, that's simply wrong.russ_watters said:Sicne this thread is back from the dead: Shame on your grandmothers for not saving for their retirement (mine did) and shame on you for forcing others to pay for their mistakes.
Great - we pay them back what they put in then: and not a penny more. Better? That way, I get to use the rest of my money to invest for my future. I realize its unreasonable to expect people stop stealing all of my money that they are stealing - how about just reduce how much they are taking?schwarzchildradius said:What kind of logic is that? grandmothers pay into social security, and then they reap the rewards so long as neo-con-men haven't looted the savings for profit. No others pay for their mistakes, that's simply wrong.
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