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Jul17-06, 03:20 PM   #1
 

Cantor's diagonalization


I am stumpt on this problem:
Use Cantor's diagonalization method to show that the set of all infinite
strings of the letters {a,b} is not countable:

Can I have a hint?
 
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Jul17-06, 03:34 PM   #2
 
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Do you understand the argument that shows that the set of decimal numbers between 0 and 1 is uncountable? Try running that argument in base two, and you have what you want.
 
Jul17-06, 03:44 PM   #3
 
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Do you know Cantor's diagonal method? The application here is pretty direct. Assume that the set of all infinite sequences of {a,b} is countable. Then you can put them in a numbered list. Create a string z by "if the nth letter in the nth sequence is a, the nth letter in z is b, else the nth letter in z is a". Where is z in the list?
 
Jul17-06, 04:18 PM   #4
 

Cantor's diagonalization


I guess my problem is coming up with a numbering scheme of these strings, so that I could see a diagonal. Do i always need to disprove by diagonal? I know it is called diagonalization principle but still.....
I think I understand the principle, but sometimes the prof changes a small thing and then we all are lost.
So, yeah, if someone can lead me on numbering, that would be appreciated.
 
Jul17-06, 05:06 PM   #5
 
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You don't need a numbering scheme. The assumption that the set is countable is equivalent to the statement that there exists a bijection between it and the natrual numbers. So if you assume the existence of such a bijection and reach a contradiction, you have disproved the hypothesis that the set is countable.
 
Jul17-06, 05:59 PM   #6
 
oh, ok.
thanks
that makes sense.
 
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