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| Jul17-06, 03:20 PM | #1 |
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Cantor's diagonalization
I am stumpt on this problem:
Use Cantor's diagonalization method to show that the set of all infinite strings of the letters {a,b} is not countable: Can I have a hint?
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| Jul17-06, 03:34 PM | #2 |
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Do you understand the argument that shows that the set of decimal numbers between 0 and 1 is uncountable? Try running that argument in base two, and you have what you want.
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| Jul17-06, 03:44 PM | #3 |
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Do you know Cantor's diagonal method? The application here is pretty direct. Assume that the set of all infinite sequences of {a,b} is countable. Then you can put them in a numbered list. Create a string z by "if the nth letter in the nth sequence is a, the nth letter in z is b, else the nth letter in z is a". Where is z in the list?
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| Jul17-06, 04:18 PM | #4 |
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Cantor's diagonalization
I guess my problem is coming up with a numbering scheme of these strings, so that I could see a diagonal. Do i always need to disprove by diagonal? I know it is called diagonalization principle but still.....
I think I understand the principle, but sometimes the prof changes a small thing and then we all are lost. So, yeah, if someone can lead me on numbering, that would be appreciated. |
| Jul17-06, 05:06 PM | #5 |
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You don't need a numbering scheme. The assumption that the set is countable is equivalent to the statement that there exists a bijection between it and the natrual numbers. So if you assume the existence of such a bijection and reach a contradiction, you have disproved the hypothesis that the set is countable.
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| Jul17-06, 05:59 PM | #6 |
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oh, ok.
thanks that makes sense. |
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