Amount of 6M H2SO4 to lower pH of pool from 7.0 to 4.0

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The discussion revolves around calculating the amount of 6M H2SO4 required to lower the pH of a swimming pool from 7.0 to 4.0. Participants explore the theoretical and practical aspects of acid-base chemistry, particularly focusing on the dissociation of sulfuric acid and its implications for pH adjustment in a large volume of water.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the pool's volume to be 265,643 liters and expresses uncertainty about how to approach the problem.
  • Another participant proposes a method involving the molarity of H+ ions needed to achieve a pH of 4, suggesting a calculation based on the formula M1V1=M2V2, but questions the correctness due to the diprotic nature of H2SO4.
  • A different participant clarifies that for a pH of 4, the concentration of H+ ions should be 1 x 10^-4 M and sets up a molarity balance equation to relate the moles of H+ from the acid to the moles of H+ in the pool after the acid is added.
  • This participant derives an expression for the volume of acid needed, arriving at a solution of approximately 2.2 liters, while acknowledging uncertainty about the correctness of their calculation.
  • Another participant reflects on their earlier mistake of not accounting for the diprotic nature of H2SO4, indicating a learning moment in the discussion.

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Participants express differing methods and calculations for determining the amount of H2SO4 needed, with no consensus reached on a definitive answer. Uncertainty remains regarding the correct approach to account for the diprotic nature of sulfuric acid.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on various assumptions about acid dissociation and the behavior of H2SO4 in solution. There are unresolved mathematical steps and differing interpretations of how to apply the principles of molarity and pH in this context.

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[SOLVED] Amount of 6M H2SO4 to lower pH of pool from 7.0 to 4.0

Homework Statement



A new swimming pool is filled with fresh, clean water with a pH of 7.0. The width is 25 ft, the length is 60 ft, and the depth linearly ranges from 3.5 to 9 ft. How much 6 M H2SO4 must be added to reduce the water pH to 4.0 so that the plaster liner in the pool can be cured?

Homework Equations



kw = ka*kb, pKa = -log(Ka) and for pOH and pH, any the usual concentration formulas.

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm honestly not entirely sure how to tackle this. I first started off by finding things I may need. I found the capacity of the pool to be 265,643 liters. The molecular weight of H2SO4 is 98.065 g/mol. Ka of H2SO4 is 10^3.

If you guys could bump me in the right direction it'd be appreciated. Thanks!
 
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Nevermind, got it figured out :).
 
Well since you figured it out, maybe you could tell me. I have not got to that section of the book yet in school, so I just read ahead. The way I saw it being done was this: Since you want a pH of 4, I computed Molar by using wanted pH 10^-4 = .0001 Molar. Then I took the equation M1V1=M2V2 solved for V1 so I got (.0001M * 265643L)/6M =4.43L
I have a feeling that is not correct because H2SO4 is diprotic. What answer did you come up with?
 
Well, if you want a pH of 4 then you will need a [H+] = 1 x 10^-4 M ([H+] = antilog (-pH)

I assumed that the moles of H+ ion that will be present in the swimming pool after adding the acid will be the same as the number of moles of H+ provided by the acid. So I came up with an equation:

moles of H+ from acid = moles of H+ in swimming pool after the acid is added

H2SO4 is for all practical purposes completely ionized into the H+ ions and SO4-2 ions according to the equation:
H2SO4 --> 2 H+ + SO4-2

so the moles of H+ for acid = volume of acid added x molarity of the acid x 2 H+/acid molecule
= x L (6mol/L)(2 H+/molecule)

the moles of H+ in the pool = molarity of H+ in the pool x volume of the pool
= (1 x 10^-4 M)( 2.66 x 105) L

Plugging the values in for H+ yields:
x L(6mol/L)(2 H+/molecule) = (1x 10^-4M)(265643L)

I just solved for X and got 2.2L. I'm not 100% this is correct but it makes sense to me. It's basically a molarity balance thing. Moles of [H+] for the ace = moles of [H+] after it's in the water. I think what you did is correct for one stage of the dissociation, but not both, since the only difference is that I multiplied the 6M by two from the chemical equation above.

Good luck and godspeed. Engineering majors like me need it! haha
 
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Yeah that makes sense. I think I messed up by not accounting for the H2, hence my number was 2x. Thanks for clarification. Funny you ask for help and end up giving it :)
 

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