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Edwards will one day be president

by Ivan Seeking
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Outcast
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Oct19-04, 09:15 AM
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Quote Quote by wasteofo2
So I was right, you completely dismissed them. The current administration was 100% wrong about the reason they took us to war on, but you don't seem to mind, you only seem to care that John Edwards said people like a famous actor could benefit from stem-cell research, and said actor died.
The name of the thread is Edwards will one day be president. You went off topic with the war in Iraq and the Bush administration. When I pointed it out that "we were not talking about......", you acted like you won a major debate.


You want to point out a specific case in which he ruthlessly sued a doctor or the medical industry where it wasn't just?
Its not just one case, its his whole medical malpractice carreer. He should have stuck to swimming pools. Edwards' malpractice suits leave bitter taste
You know, the reason their are lawyers like him are to protect people who get hurt by doctors etc. Was Edwards being ruthless when he sued a pool parts company because their filter sucked out a little girls colon?
Valerie Lakey and John Edwards
Please elaborate how edwards suing against doctor incompetency or corporate negligence affected stem cell research in any way.


John Kerry is a politician. He distorts the facts, as all politicians do, let us try to hold our discourse to a higher standard than the rhetoric of politicians. However, it is true that bush has banned federal funding for any lines of stem-cells that weren't already being used in August 2001.


Yeah, it'd make a difference if more groups of scientists had thousands more stem cell lines and more funding towards the research.


Again, explain to me how trial lawyers suing doctors and corporations make it harder for the government to give money to people who want to do stem cell research.
You need to learn to read English. Either that or you are a real politician the way you distort everything you read. Where did I say
trial lawyers suing doctors and corporations make it harder for the government to give money to people who want to do stem cell research?
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Oct19-04, 09:34 AM
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Dear Outcast,

you are as blindly misinformed as you are stubbornly opinionated.

On your first point, it seems clear that you are not aware of the difference between Ron Reagan, the openly democratic son of the former President, and his father. Nor do you, in fact seem to be aware of the existence of this son.

On your second point, please Google "krauthammer neocon" and you will receive sufficient validation to my claim. What he did 25 years ago has little to do with what he thinks now. Krauthammer is openly neocon and admits it quite plainly.
You are correct, I stand corrected on both statements.
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Oct19-04, 05:32 PM
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And I take back my barbs...they were perhaps a little over the edge.
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Oct19-04, 06:28 PM
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You are correct, I stand corrected on both statements.
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And I take back my barbs...they were perhaps a little over the edge.
Group Hug.
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Oct19-04, 08:28 PM
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Sorry, I am off-topic, but I saw a curious photo in a magazine, and I think it was a recent issue of U.S. News & World Report. A very youthful John Kerry was standing on a platform overlooking a yacht race, and in the background John F. Kennedy Sr. was sitting in a chair watching the race. I have read that young Bill Clinton shook JFK's hand, and for all I know there may be a picture of that as well.
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Oct21-04, 07:08 PM
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Again, explain to me how trial lawyers suing doctors and corporations make it harder for the government to give money to people who want to do stem cell research.
I said nothing about government funding of research. I said earlier
He made his money in lawsuits against doctors and the medical industry. You know they type of lawsuits that drive up the cost of malpractice insurance and drive up the cost of research. You know research like in stem cell research.
and
Yes, he and the trial lawyers that drive up the cost doing research are partly to blame.
Do you understand what a hypocrite John Edwards is? He criticizes the Bush administration for not doing enough, but it is he and lawyers that are driving up the cost of doing research.

Why is there a shortage of flu vaccines? Why do we have to buy them from England? Lawyers. Pharmaceutical companies here in America don't want to manufacture flu vaccines for fear of lawsuits over adverse reaction to the flu shots.

Why did 9-11 happen? Again lawyers. The terrorist at Logan Airport set off plenty of alarms that something was wrong, but nobody wanted to stop them for fear of another lawsuit by the ACLU for racial profiling.
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Oct21-04, 07:09 PM
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And I take back my barbs...they were perhaps a little over the edge.
NP, I deserved it.
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Oct21-04, 07:48 PM
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Why did 9-11 happen? Again lawyers. The terrorist at Logan Airport set off plenty of alarms that something was wrong, but nobody wanted to stop them for fear of another lawsuit by the ACLU for racial profiling.
OK, you're either completely insane or listen to way too much Rush Limbaugh.
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Oct21-04, 09:04 PM
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Rush is nothing more than a Bush lap dog.

Sometimes I wish I was completely insane. Then I could get me a nice "I love me jacket", a padded cell, some good drugs and have nothing to worry about. Maybe someday government health benefits will cover reeducation camps for people that don't trust the government.

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OK, you're either completely insane or listen to way too much Rush Limbaugh.
As the 9-11 hijackers passed through the security checkpoints at Logan, the airlines’ Computer-Assisted Passenger Profiling System, or CAPPS, actually singled out six of them for extra baggage screening because they had purchased one-way tickets with cash – two criteria that triggered red flags in the CAPPS system.

In conjunction with the Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), the ACLU has lobbied hard against Arab-profiling at airports for years. “Profiles are notoriously under-inclusive,” says ACLU legislative counsel Gregory Nojeim. “Who knows who the next terrorist will appear as? It could be a grandmother. It could be a student. We just don’t know.” In their crusade to ban profiling, the ACLU and CAIR have enlisted the support of Democratic lawmakers like David Bonior, who represents a heavily Arab district in Michigan – and who, in turn, has lobbied FAA Administrator Jane Garvey.

The airline industry’s fear of such lawsuits is based on solid historical precedent. In 1993, for instance, the ACLU joined forces with the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC) to sue Pan American World Airways for having detained a man of Iranian descent during the first Persian Gulf War.

In 1999, the federal government pressured Argenbright Security Inc., the nation’s largest airport security firm, to rehire seven Arab workers it had recently fired. All seven were female non-citizens hailing from Sudan, Egypt, and Afghanistan. In the wake of the 1998 US embassy bombings in Africa, United had received numerous complaints from passengers nervous about Middle Eastern Muslims overseeing airport security. The women were fired for refusing to remove their headscarves – the wearing of which they said was required by the Koran – while screening passengers. In response, they filed a religion-bias complaint with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. Representative David Bonior joined their cause, piously lecturing Americans about “widespread and systematic discrimination against Muslims and Arab-Americans in airports all across the country.”

In June 2002 the ACLU filed lawsuits on behalf of five men of Middle Eastern and Asian extraction – each of whom had been escorted off their scheduled flights by airline security agents between October and December 2001.

From 9-11 to the present day, the ACLU has vigorously opposed every governmental attempt to more effectively protect the American people’s security. It sued, for example, to prevent the implementation of the Aviation and Transportation Security Act, which was passed in November 2001 and included a citizenship requirement for airport screeners. It organized protests against a “discriminatory” Justice Department and INS registration system requiring male “temporary visitors” to the US from 25 Arab and Muslim nations to register with the Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services. It condemned the FBI’s “discriminatory” plan to count and document every mosque in the US. It protested when FBI and Homeland Security agents recently tried to track down illegal Iraqi immigrants they deemed dangerous. In Illinois, the ACLU actually set up a hotline designed to give free legal advice to undocumented Iraqis facing deportation. Former ACLU Executive Director Ira Glasser casually dismissed Americans’ concerns about illegal immigration, chalking such sentiments up to a “wave of anti-immigrant hysteria.”

On August 29, 2001, for instance, an FBI investigator in New York desperately pleaded for permission to initiate an intensive manhunt for al-Qaeda operative Khalid Almihdar, who was known to be planning something big. The Justice Department and the FBI deputy general counsel’s office both denied the request, explaining that because the evidence linking Almihdar to terrorism had been obtained through intelligence channels, it could not legally be used to justify or aid an FBI agent’s criminal investigation; in short, it would constitute a violation of Almihdar’s “civil rights.” “Someday, someone will die,” the agent wrote to his FBI superiors, “and the public will not understand why we were not more effective and throwing every resource we had at certain problems.” Thirteen days later, Almihdar took over the cockpit of American Airlines Flight 77 and crashed it into the Pentagon.
The ACLU's War Against National Security


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