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Designing a digital eyepiece camera

by mikemyers
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mikemyers
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May31-11, 11:42 AM
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I have an optical design question - hopefully this is the right forum in which to ask. It is "engineer", but it's really optical engineering...
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I am wondering if someone can help me out here with a few questions. I do volunteer work at an eye hospital in India, and we would like to take photos of patient’s eyes, as viewed through a “slit lamp” (the device doctors use when you get an eye exam).

The slit lamp is essentially a microscope. There are optics within the slit lamp, and then there is an eyepiece that you look through to view an enlarged image of the eye. Basically, I assume it is more or less “the same” as a microscope, a pair of binoculars, or a telescope, but with much less power.

We have already developed a method of placing a small digital camera right behind the eyepiece, and we can capture excellent images this way. We have been doing this for years.

In looking around for a better way to capture images, we found a device that is designed to drop into a microscope, replacing the eyepiece, record the image on a digital sensor, and display the image on a computer when connected to a USB port.

Here is a link to one of those devices:
http://www.aunet.com.au/dinoeye_am423.htm

The device works perfectly, but shows a greatly enlarged image of a small part of the eye. This is good for a microscope, but far too powerful for a slit lamp, where we want to see a lot more of the eye, not just a tiny part of it.

We would like to make a device like this, optically designed for our needs. My problem is that while I do know and understand “camera lenses”, I don’t know where to even start on this project.

(Either I need a device that shows more of the subject on the small sensor in the DinoEye, or perhaps the lens is fine, and I just need a larger sensor that covers more area?)

Can someone please help me with the following:

a) What is the difference between an “eyepiece lens” and a normal lens that one might use in front of film or a digital sensor? If there is no difference, can I just put my own lens into the microscope (slit lamp) and put a digital sensor behind it?

b) Are there any good sources in the USA or India where I can purchase a lens for this purpose? I know about Edmund Scientific Company, but I wasn’t able to find anything that might work (possibly because I know so little about what I’m looking for).

c) Are there any good sources for a sensor with USB electronics, that I can mount my own lens to?



If I understood more about how an eyepiece works, I would have a better idea of what I need to find, but I think it is very different from a “camera lens”; a lens for a camera is fully self-contained, and the only thing between the subject and the film/sensor. With a microscope, there already are optics in the system ahead of the eyepiece. Maybe someone here can point me in the right direction to find the information I need? Thanks in advance!!

(I have spent some time trying to understand what’s going on. The best resource I have found to date is http://www.birdwatching.com/optics/h...lars_work.html and I did take two Nikon camera lenses, as instructed, and sure enough, they did work exactly like a telescope/microscope, enlarging what I was looking at. I used a 200mm “objective” lens and a 50 mm “eyepiece lens”. What I need to do now, is replace the “eyepiece lens” with an appropriate lens and a digital sensor for capturing the image. That is the lens that I need to understand, and to pick one that has a large enough “field of view” to see everything that a doctor might see when looking through the eyepiece of a slit lamp.)


Observations so far:
1 - when using a 50mm lens as the Objective lens, and a 200mm lens as the eyepiece, the apparent size of things in the image are greatly reduced.

2 - when using the 200mm lens as the objective lens, and a 50mm lens as the eyepiece, I end up with something that seems like "2x power binoculars"; everything seems to be twice as large as looking directly at the object.

3 - when using a 200mm lens as the objective lens, and a 20mm lens as the eyepiece, I get something that seems like "6x power binoculars", with a much larger image size. (This is the opposite of what I expected!)
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mikemyers
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Jun3-11, 10:17 AM
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Apparently this was not a good place to ask the above questions. Can anyone suggest a better place?
MATLABdude
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Jun8-11, 10:41 PM
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Welcome to PhysicsForums!

The very basic information on an eyepiece:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyepiece

That said, how are you looking to improve the setup? Just with a camera that can connect to USB or without having to strap it on?

Most (microscope) eyepieces have a magnification etched on it--any chance yours does as well? If so, you can probably find an eyepiece adapter with the same magnification. Barring that, perhaps a non-magnifying microscope coupler would suffice for your existing camera (or another one with USB output)?
http://www.edmundoptics.com/onlineca...productid=2416

EDIT: Oops, that's just the adapter rings! From Anchor Optics (a division of Edmund):
http://www.anchoroptics.com/catalog/...id=214&s=p&d=d

mikemyers
#4
Apr2-12, 11:47 PM
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Designing a digital eyepiece camera

Thanks for the help - I've been working on this for a long time, and the discussions, with a short movie of what we built, can be found here:

http://www.sgrid.com/forum/forumdisp...-Camera-Design

Maybe that's a better place to continue this discussion. If anyone is interested, please join us there.


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